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    Then it's a sacred vessel. Nice to know some of that stuff got "renewed".

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    That's the beauty of steel....

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    Only the last piece recovered from Ground Zero was used for the USS New York, particularly the bow of the vessel.

    Like Nordica said, the vast majority of it went overseas as scrap to make all kinds of Made in China stuff. Odds are if you bought a case of paper clips recently, they might be WTC steel. That BTW is not a joke.

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    And I thought at the time that those in charge were short-sighted.

    Just think, that next purchase from Wal Mart, Target, or Ikea could be a sacred thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake View Post
    Only the last piece recovered from Ground Zero was used for the USS New York, particularly the bow of the vessel.
    That's lame. It would be badass if the whole ship was made out of that steel, but this way, it's pretty dumb. If you're gonna choose between symbolism and profit, choose one - either make profit from selling it to China or "honor" the steel by giving it new life as a ship. This one-beam symbolism seems like hypocricy.

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    No, it is just trying to please everyone.

    The problem with making everything "sacred" is that there will always be someone who is not satisfied with what you do with it.

    I really do not care if the steel was turned into paper clips or warships, just that it was used again and is not sitting somewhere waiting to be stuck behind a wall of glass so that people can look at it and bemoan what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjahedge View Post
    No, it is just trying to please everyone.

    The problem with making everything "sacred" is that there will always be someone who is not satisfied with what you do with it.
    The same can be said for the entire WTC site, because, as we all know, it's "hallowed ground." The real problem is even further narrowed down, because it is almost always the smallest group of interests that are the loudest (thanks to the media) that through endless protesting, get politicians to change things around so as not to upset them (cough, Pataki, cough cough).

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    Ninja- I agree that it's best to recycle (and not worship). It would have been nice to change it into something nifty (and lasting) instead of things that may well go back into a dumpster and revolve through again.

    "What might have been" -the saddest words of mice and men.

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    Well they sold it as scrap so they got something for it, no idea what steel goes for these days though.

    I just wish that they had kept part of the facade that was left standing. It was really the only thing I saw on that site that sort of diminished the scale of destruction. It was the only thing I recognized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 View Post
    (cough, Pataki, cough cough).
    I preiuct that your cough will be cured after election day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake View Post
    Well they sold it as scrap so they got something for it, no idea what steel goes for these days though.
    I hope this money they made went into the memorial construction fund. It's pretty empty the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordica View Post
    Ninja- I agree that it's best to recycle (and not worship). It would have been nice to change it into something nifty . . .
    The problem is that the scale of the WTC leads people to want really big things done. There is a very nice cross (OK, it's religious, but it was done from the heart) at St Pauls made from the steel and done in the form of the Twin Towers. There are pieces here and there, and perhaps there should have been more, that are displayed or turned into art. Massive recycling into big project items is probably difficult, and carries no more meaning than a small work of art.

    A battle ship is a battleship, WTC steel or not.

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    Dave, Apparently building two concrete pools is DIFFICULT.

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    Anyone know what's happening with the Tribute in Light this year? Same as last or or not at all or what?

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    Stop memorial costbleeding and don’t shortchange Downtown
    As we reported last week, $45 million of federal money the governor and mayor promised for Lower Manhattan “community enhancement” last year appears to have disappeared and coincidence or not, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation is finalizing an agreement to spend yet another $45 million if there are cost overruns on the billion-dollar World Trade Center memorial. Even if the enhancement money is found and is spent on community projects, the L.M.D.C. should not further escalate the enormous public investment in the memorial.
    In a world where government project cost overruns are routine, setting up a rainy day fund encourages hurricanes.
    There should be a large public investment in the memorial and it will far surpass half a billion dollars. The L.M.D.C. is already paying $250 million for the memorial and museum, the Port Authority $150 million for underground infrastructure, New York State $80 million for the memorial visitor and education center, and the Federal Transit Administration $28 million for the memorial’s sidewalks. In addition, the L.M.D.C. is spending at least $266 million to buy the contaminated former Deutsche Bank building and an adjacent lot and to take the building down safely, and this land is expected to be traded to the Port in exchange for the memorial land.
    Although this will be the most expensive memorial ever built by far, we acknowledge that such comparisons are not fair. The Sept. 11 attack gave us a seven-story hole in the ground that would be expensive to build back up to street level even without a memorial.
    Only one part of the memorial cost-overrun formula makes sense. The Port, which is building the memorial, would have to cover the first $25 million over the Sciame-inspired $510 million memorial-museum budget. This gives the New York-New Jersey authority incentive to keep costs down.
    The World Trade Center Memorial Foundation was able to raise $131 million in private donations even before it began a national ad campaign. It should be responsible for keeping the project within budget or if need be, raising more money to cover cost overruns.
    With the possible shift of the $45 million into a memorial reserve fund, we’re left with the sinking feeling that the Lower Manhattan community is being made to bear more of the burden of memorial budget recklessness without the power to influence the process. Those with the power to guide the memorial’s development – the Port and the Memorial Foundation, should be responsible and take the consequences if they aren’t.
    The L.M.D.C. needs to protect the $45 million community enhancement fund while they still have the mandate to do so and to create a mechanism to allocate it to its original purpose. There are huge issues confronting the Lower Manhattan community where these funds could logically be directed. None may be more important to the long term viability of the area than education; i.e., where are the kids in Downtown’s demographic boom going to find classroom seats? Another school is clearly needed beyond Beekman and the P.S. 234 annex.
    Even though the L.M.D.C. is closing shop, its directors need to show strong leadership on these types of final issues.

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