WTC Memorial - by Michael Arad (Architect) and Peter Walker (Landscape)

**ZenSteelDude** · April 2nd, 2009, 07:27 PM

Me thinks you presume too much. Think of a hole in the ground with stainless steel railings around it. Or perhaps surrounded by a stone parapet.

By law (post 9-11) an emergancy exit MUST exit to street level OUTSIDE the building.

**Sherpa** · April 2nd, 2009, 10:57 PM

I visited the new Yankee stadium today. 2 year construction timeline. Awesome place!

**Travis** · April 3rd, 2009, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by ZenSteelDude

Me thinks you presume too much. Think of a hole in the ground with stainless steel railings around it. Or perhaps surrounded by a stone parapet.

By law (post 9-11) an emergancy exit MUST exit to street level OUTSIDE the building.

How many of these street level emergency exits will there be?

**Alonzo-ny** · April 3rd, 2009, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Sherpa

I visited the new Yankee stadium today. 2 year construction timeline. Awesome place!

Wrong thread.

**RKOwens4** · April 3rd, 2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by ZenSteelDude

Me thinks you presume too much. Think of a hole in the ground with stainless steel railings around it. Or perhaps surrounded by a stone parapet.

By law (post 9-11) an emergancy exit MUST exit to street level OUTSIDE the building.

I thought that's what the staircases & small buildings on the western side of the plaza were for. Are they going to start putting up new staircase exits across the plaza every 100 feet?

ETA: I meant that sarcastically, but I'm actually afraid of the answer to this. ARE they going to start filling the plaza with staircase exits? If they put one at the north end of the gallery, then they'd have to put one at the smaller gallery at the southwest corner of the South Tower pool, another at the southwest portion of the site above the B1 museum level, and so on. How many emergency staircases are we going to have?

**ZenSteelDude** · April 3rd, 2009, 01:54 PM

There well be 6 exits, but 2 are incorperated into the West Vent Structure and one into the Visiters Center/Musium entrance. The other 3 are just stairs coming out of the ground, 2 in the northwest corner and one on Liberty St.

**RKOwens4** · April 4th, 2009, 03:28 PM

Man, I understand that safety is important, but I'd just hate to see the plaza cluttered with all of these emergency exit structures. Seeing doors all over the place with signs saying "Emergency Exit" is just going to serve as a constant reminder of potential danger & threats, rather than allowing the park to feel like a peaceful place on hallowed ground. Do you have any idea what the exits will consist of? I can't imagine them being just open stairwells 24/7, allowing people to wander into the museum after hours. Presumably there'd have to be a door somewhere. So, yeah, do you have any idea what they will look like?

And what's the deal with the one in your photograph which lies outside the slurry wall? Are they going to have to rip a hole through the wall? If so, why didn't they just do that before they did the reinforcement?

**Sherpa** · April 4th, 2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by RKOwens4

Man, I understand that safety is important, but I'd just hate to see the plaza cluttered with all of these emergency exit structures. Seeing doors all over the place with signs saying "Emergency Exit" is just going to serve as a constant reminder of potential danger & threats, rather than allowing the park to feel like a peaceful place on hallowed ground. Do you have any idea what the exits will consist of? I can't imagine them being just open stairwells 24/7, allowing people to wander into the museum after hours. Presumably there'd have to be a door somewhere. So, yeah, do you have any idea what they will look like?

And what's the deal with the one in your photograph which lies outside the slurry wall? Are they going to have to rip a hole through the wall? If so, why didn't they just do that before they did the reinforcement?

I didn't see too many "Emergency Exit" signs at the new Yankee stadium today. A very peaceful and serene place to reflect on 9/11 and the weeks following in my mind. Also a real monument to the resourcefulness and resolve of America!

**ZenSteelDude** · April 4th, 2009, 07:39 PM

December 10, 2008

Go down the steps and run right into doors with no handles. We're talking 3 small stairwells at the edge of the Plaza, like subway entrances, only clean, and nice. Be glad, I saw some old renderings with 140 foot long ramps !

**RKOwens4** · April 5th, 2009, 01:08 PM

Eh, I guess I can live with it, as long as they do blend in like, as you say, subway exits. I don't know if anyone else saw the segment on MSNBC's 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue last week, where David Shuster (again) had someone on advocating for the Twin Towers II. One of his main arguments against the current design was that the museum is unsafe because in case of an emergency, visitors would have to (paraphrasing) "dash 700 feet and climb up a seven story stairwell". I don't think anyplace now is going to be 700 feet from the nearest stairwell. Just shows you that these people either have no idea what they're talking about, or are intentionally trying to decieve the public about the current plan.

Zen, do you know what the opening in the photo below is for?

**ZenSteelDude** · April 5th, 2009, 02:10 PM

To answer your last question first, that opening is for an equipment hatch. Eventually it well be closed with precast concrete planks. Should they ever need to replace any large equipment in the Chiller Plant or the HVAC they well open that hatch and hoist out the old and lower in the new. They may also use the opening for a construction hoist (elevator) seeing how it goes all the way to the bottom. NYatKnight may know if that is the case.

As for David Shuster, he is a perfect example of what's wrong in American journalism today. His shows are all hype and scare tactics with few if any facts. The Memorial, and all WTC buildings, exceed the NYC Fire Code in every way.

PS: David, if you read this forum, it's only 4 stories.
PPS: The Memorial isn't even 700 feet long or wide.
PPPS: David Shuster is "The pig snout and other filler in the hotdog that is 24 hour news channels"

"Gold, Jerry, gold !!!"

**GreenwichBoy** · April 9th, 2009, 07:24 PM

4/9/09

**Daquan13** · April 11th, 2009, 03:27 PM

I thought that the survivers' staircase was attached to some part of the building by now. Looks like it's still just sitting there alone while work is being done around it.

**GreenwichBoy** · April 11th, 2009, 06:30 PM

4/11/09

**ZenSteelDude** · April 15th, 2009, 07:45 PM

They started removing one of the crawler cranes today, the hole is getting too small. From the info I have they are still several weeks ahead of schedule.