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Thread: WTC Memorial - by Michael Arad (Architect) and Peter Walker (Landscape)

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    One of the main aspects of Lin's simple design sketch was the dock she proposed to reach out into the Hudson River.

    Her pools were not sunken, just simple reflecting pools and the inverse of what Arad proposed.

    Arad's original plan did not have a grove of trees, and those were only added after he was chosen and as suggested by the entire jury.

    IMHO, I'm sensing some sour grapes from someone who wasn't in the running. It's way in the past and won't be undone. Let it go.

    FYI: It seems the idea of maintaining and highlighting the original foot prints of the towers as part of the Memorial came not from Maya Lin, but from the New York Times ...

    "The study does not address the design of a permanent memorial, apart from recommending alternative sites. Since there are no physical footprints remaining of the World Trade Center, we have proposed articulating them in a reconstructed landscape. Though the team agreed that ideas for a memorial must come from a public process, Maya Lin was asked for her thoughts on what might be done."

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    I know there has been a lot of frustration about the pools not matching the original footprints exactly, but I read in a recent article that the outline of the trees at the pools forms the footprint accurately, so that should appease some. Also, if you are standing right at the parapets and looking around you, I would imagine it would be a powerful feeling just to know that you would have been standing within one of the towers.

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    What's going on in the south pool? Grey and chalky.

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    I'm pretty sure one of the reasons they don't match the size of the footprints is so that the "sawed-off" perimeter columns could be visible inside the museum.

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    I would think the memorial's trees would be highly vulnerable to any tropical storm/hurricane force winds that may be on their way this weekend.

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    ^Good catch. They're not well established there yet. Wonder if they'll take precautions. Maybe impromptu anchors.

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    I think younger (shorter) trees can better withstand high winds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    I think younger (shorter) trees can better withstand high winds.
    Hopefully but I wonder if the root system of transplanted trees are a vulnerability.

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    There's a gathering of people near the south pool right now. I wonder what the occasion is...
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    Nypd

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    get your arse out of zone A, GB

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    Has construction been halted by the evacuation order? Is there a chance that they won't make the 9/11 opening date because of possible hurricane-related delays?

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    The potential flooding could definitely put a wrench in things.

    All construction in NYC, including interior alterations, have been ordered to cease:

    Buildings Commissioner Robert LiMandri today ordered all work at construction sites in New York City suspended as of 2 p.m. Saturday, August 27 to 7 a.m. Monday, August, 29, 2011, due to the severe weather conditions expected from Hurricane Irene. All previously issued construction permits, as well as after-hours variances and temporary place of assembly permits, are suspended during this time period. This excludes work related to safeguarding construction sites or damage repair work related to the storm. The National Weather Service is forecasting the hurricane will reach the City by early Sunday, bringing heavy rains, storm surges in low-lying areas and strong winds. The severe weather is expected to last between 12 and 18 hours.

    To secure a building, property owners should take all precautionary measures including but not limited to the following:
    • Bring inside loose, lightweight objects such as lawn furniture, potted plants, garbage cans, garden tools and toys.
    • Anchor objects that would be unsafe outside, such as gas grills or propane tanks.
    • Close up and secure patio umbrellas.
    • Secure retractable awnings.
    • Clear rooftop drains, gutters and leaders.
    • Secure all windows.
    • Remove aerial antennas and satellite television dishes.
    • Remove all loose materials from balconies.

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    Could Hurricane Irene Uproot the 9/11 Memorial?

    By Matt Chaban


    That's a lot of trees. (WTC Progress)
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    With Hurricane Irene (maybe, possibly, fingers-crossed-it-won’t) headed straight for New York City, almost every precaution is being taken. People are stocking up on supplies like pet raincoats and booze, the M.T.A. is on lockdown and construction sites across the city are closed, with contractors directed to remove or secure everything that could potentially become a projectile in the event of high winds. This includes the biggest construction site in the city, the World Trade Center.

    The timing could not be worse, as the hurricane could hit Sunday, exactly two weeks before the 9/11 Memorial is set to open.

    But just how bad could a hurricane be for the memorial? The Observera got a tour of the site a week ago, and surrounding the two giant fountains are hundreds of feshly planted trees surrounded by itty, bitty cobblestones. What kind of impact would a Category 2 hurricane have on them?

    The mayor said today that whatever happens, the memorial would still open on Sept. 11. “Currently, 13 of the 24 tower cranes active in are city are located at the World Trade Center site,” he said, an interesting fact that until this point The Observer had no idea about. “For those that want to know, this work stoppage will not have any effect on the scheduled opening of the 9/11 Memorial in time for the 10th anniversary of that tragic day. Since Wednesday, inspectors have been inspecting construction sites across the city to ensure equipment is properly secured.”

    That is all well and good, but what kind of memorial would we be coming home to?


    Secure those saplings! (WTC Progress)
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    “It’s never good to have a hurricane two weeks before opening,” Matthew Donham told The Observer. Mr. Donham is the project manager at PWP Landscape Architecture, the firm that helped design the memorial plaza with architect Michael Arad. The firm is credited with humanizing his spare project largely through the addition of hundreds of trees that will dot the plaza, more than half of which have already been planted in anticipation of the memorial’s opening.

    “We’ll actually fair better than a nearby street tree,” Mr. Donham said. This is thanks to a number of factors. For starters, PWP is using slow-growing, hardy Swamp White Oak trees, which have been growing in a nursery in New Jersey for five years now. The trees were also pruned on Wednesday, to give them an even look in preparation for the opening, but this also had the unintended effect of reducing the amount of foliage in proportion to the trunk and roots.

    “We’ve taken a tree that has grown a structure to support a canopy larger than we have now because we’ve taken out a whole bunch of that canopy,” Mr. Donham said.

    The trees also have larger “root balls” than are typical for a street or box planting, and those have been bolted to the plaza, further strengthening them. And because the trees were planted five years ago, they are far from saplings. As for the cobblestones, Mr. Donham said they are too heavy and too closely laid to be blown away. The biggest issue could be the freshly laid sod, which was actually stapled down in an effort to secure it.


    So much for that new sod. (WTC Progress)
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    Ultimately, it all depends on how strong the storm is. “They’re the right tree for the area, which helps, but the thing about a hurricane is, it comes through and it just denudes everything,” Mr. Donham said. “In the tropics sometimes, a hurricane just comes through and it takes every tree. At a certain point, if the storm is big enough, there’s nothing you can do. I suppose you could make the argument, ‘well, don’t plant trees,’ but I don’t think that’s the right response. I’ve been reading the news, and it’s hard to know what’s coming.”

    Michael Frazier, a spokesman for the 9/11 Memorial, said all possible precautions have been taken. “The memorial plaza has been cleared of all loose material and equipment,” he said, including construction fencing, extra material and tools. “Everything else has been secured and tied down. We have an emergency generator for powering pumps that’s on standby, in case there’s some flooding.” The site is located in the first-to-flood Zone A.

    Short of total devastation, there should be time to replace any damaged trees or sod with spares from the nursery. “There could be quite a lot of clean-up to do next week,” Mr. Donham said.

    http://www.observer.com/2011/08/coul...-911-memorial/

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    the memorial plaza will be open as scheduled for 9/11

    Looks like there are workers installing waterproofing material on south greenwich street this morning.

    east plaza tower crane is completely gone with parts sitting in the east bath tub

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