Reply With QuoteOK so where were these overbearing security personnel/NYPD when all of this was going on (kids throwing trash, swinging on the trees, adults picking off leaves)?
This was just a rowdy inner city ghetto crowd, so this type of behavior is expected. Most normal people whether or not they knew what 9/11 was wouldn't do stuff like this.
OK so where were these overbearing security personnel/NYPD when all of this was going on (kids throwing trash, swinging on the trees, adults picking off leaves)?
Extremely good question.
I heard on NY1 that these kids will be punished at the beginning of next school year. Good thing they weren't seniors.
Also, in defense of the pools, they were built to anticipate jackals. I think this sort of thing will happen perennially, unfortunately, and we should be happy that the pools are able to clear out this debris quickly and efficiently.
Like I said I put a stop to the 'about to swing child...' (just in time) but here's the problem: It takes a second to do damage and we don't want to be overbearing on people at the memorial. How would you feel if you felt that overbearing security presence as you stood by the tree paying your respects?Originally Posted by antinimby
People touch the tree, they stroke the leaves... By the time someone plucks leaves it's too late, by the time a child jumps up to the branch it's too late. Should we really have to put signs up saying please don't strip the survivor tree?
We can only expect people to behave in a courteous manner, we can't mind read the disrespectful or the stupid for fear of upsetting the majority.
Sadly it means that the Tree will likely get a wider barrier preventing people getting to touch it, as for the pools it amazes me the number of people who let their kids (and I mean small kids) sit or stand on the name plaques... we are continually asking people to be more careful as their children are so close to falling in. One idiot will have a terrible accident befall their child and then the whole thing will be fenced off and likely the memorial will get sued into the bargain.
I guess the problem is that we currently expect people to be respectful, thoughtful and to some extent intelligent. Some just really aren't.
Obviously most of you do not have kids.
Not understanding that statement. If I had kids I'd be more sympathetic toward them throwing garbage into the Memorial?
Actually I do... and your point is?
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June 28, 2012
NYPD Probes "Allah" Graffiti at WTC Memorial
A custodian cleaning the area found the graffiti, written in pink and black, on a seat near the memorial's south pool
By Shimon Prokupecz
The NYPD Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating after the words "Allah Wakbar" were found written on a granite seat at the Sept. 11 memorial on Tuesday, law enforcement sources tell NBC 4 New York.
A private custodian cleaning the area found the graffiti, written in pink and black marker, on a seat in the plaza area between the north and south pools around 10:30 p.m. Tuesday.
Investigators believe someone wrote the words that day. No incidents were reported on Tuesday, and the area is not in the view of any security cameras.
After cops were called, the words were removed by a power washer, sources said. The rest of the memorial was inspected, but no other graffiti was found.
The memorial had no immediate comment.
The graffiti comes about a week after a group of Brooklyn junior high school students were forced to leave the memorial after throwing baseballs, empty bottles and other trash into its reflecting pools.
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And so it begins -
Allah Wakbar = God is the Greatest
And what about the construction worker graffiti on the concrete core of 3WTC, in orange flourescent paint, big letters & very visible?? It's been there for months.
On the north face: JESUS THE MESSIAH
On the east face: JESUS IS KING
I don't see the equivalence.
Associated Press
June 28, 2012
Port Authority head supports making WTC sphere that survived 9/11 attacks part of memorial
NEW YORK — Michael Burke’s voice still cracks when he talks about how his older brother Billy, a firefighter in Manhattan, was helping two people in the World Trade Center when the towers fell on Sept. 11, 2001.
His tone darkens when he talks about the refusal of organizers overseeing the 9/11 memorial and museum to include a large spherical sculpture that survived the attacks and currently sits just south in Battery Park.
“They say the sphere is reminding us directly of the attacks,” he said. “That kind of ignores the sphere’s existence. It’s absurd. Barring it from the site is a betrayal.”
Burke received a high-profile endorsement Thursday when Pat Foye, executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, agreed that the sphere should be part of the trade center memorial. Foye spoke after Burke delivered a short statement during the public comment segment of the authority’s monthly board meeting.
“The point that Mr. Burke made resonates with many people in New York and New Jersey and many people here at the Port Authority, especially given the fact that 84 members of the Port Authority family were killed on 9/11,” Foye said. “This is an artifact that survived and was affected by the horrors of 9/11, and placing it on the memorial plaza, we think, is entirely appropriate.”
The 25-foot-tall, 45,000-pound sculpture has sat in Battery Park for a decade but must be moved to make way for park renovations. It was used as an interim memorial in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, and was the site of a flame-lighting ceremony featuring Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Afghan President Hamid Karzai and officials from about 90 nations a year after the attacks.
Burke and other victims’ family members have gathered thousands of signatures in support of putting the sphere on the memorial plaza. But it wasn’t included in the final design.
“They say it would infringe on the integrity of the memorial,” Burke said.
The memorial features a tree-covered plaza and two massive pools that sit in the footprints of the fallen towers. The pools are ringed by waterfalls, and a parapet engraved with the names of the nearly 3,000 people who died on 9/11 and in a 1993 bombing.
A spokesman for Joseph Daniels, president of the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, didn’t immediately respond to a phone message seeking comment Thursday.
In May, the Port Authority, the agency that owns the World Trade Center site, said it was looking for a place to put the sphere and would make an announcement by mid-month, but no announcement followed.
When asked Thursday who would have the final say on where the sphere would reside, Foye would only say he hoped that “the ultimate result will be one that is an appropriate site for the sphere and one that’s respectful of the views Mr. Burke spoke of at our meeting today.”
Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Allah Wakbar = God is the Greatest
And what about the construction worker graffiti on the concrete core of 3WTC, in orange flourescent paint, big letters & very visible?? It's been there for months.
On the north face: JESUS THE MESSIAH
On the east face: JESUS IS KING
The use of the word "King" is somewhat concerning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus,_King_of_the_Jews
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