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    It really is time for a full ban on cars in the parks. There needs to be certain areas that are pedestrian only and there is no reason why we should sharet hese parks with autos.

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    This is an interesting story about real estate prices around some NYC parks...


    May 11, 2006

    THINK you have to spend a fortune for a park view? Can't afford Central Park or Gramercy Park? Getting the park perks you're looking for could be as simple as picking another park.

    But those views and that grass often don't come cheap. Properties with views of Central Park can start at $800,000 (a 400-square-foot studio on Central Park South) and go as high as $70 million (Pierre Hotel penthouse at 795 Fifth Ave.). Gramercy Park is pricey, too, with the low end at $625,000 (a 450-square-foot studio on Gramercy Park South) and the high end reaching $16 million (duplex penthouse at 50 Gramercy Park North).

    But the city is full of other great parks: Stuyvesant Square Park, Seward Park, Tompkins Square, Fort Greene Park and Pelham Bay Park are five alternatives that offer lots of green for less.

    "People love the sense of community that a park view gives them - no matter what park it is," says Corcoran Group senior vice president Glenn Schiller, who notes that park-side property values are always on the up and up. "And if you can pay less for that feeling, it feels even better."


    Pelham Bay Park, located in the northeast corner of The Bronx, is the largest public park in New York City. At 2,764 acres, it's three times the size of Central Park. The area was part of the 50,000 acres purchased in the 17th century from the Siwanoy Indians by Thomas Pell.

    Today, the park includes two golf courses, a miniature golf course, a driving range, a stable, tennis courts and baseball diamonds.

    The park borders the neighborhoods of Country Club and Pelham Bay. Most of the homes with park views are brick-and-frame detached houses sitting on lots that are 3,500 square feet to 5,000 square feet.

    There are also many smaller semidetached homes that sit on 2,500-square-foot lots.

    Overall, most of these homes have been renovated and include amenities like formal dining rooms, driveways, porches and basements. Prices range from $500,000 to $725,000.

    In addition, "There are a handful of mid-rise apartment buildings built in the 1930s to 1940s which have park views on the upper floors," says Prudential Kafcos Realty associate broker Phyllis Basilone. "There are also some multi-family homes with views that have rentals as well."

    One-bedroom rentals average $950, two-bedrooms rentals are $1,200 to $1,300, and three-bedroom rentals average $1,500 a month


    Bordered by Essex Street, Canal Street and East Broadway, the three acres of land that are Seward Park (named after former Secretary of State William Seward, who negotiated the purchase of Alaska) were acquired in 1897. Seward Park is the site of the first municipally built playground in the United States, which was constructed in 1903.

    "The area still has a lot of old-timers, including Chinese and Jewish immigrants," says Manhattan Apartments saleswoman Melissa Giordano.

    The United Housing Federation built the Seward Park Co-ops in 1957. Today, 500-square-foot studios there cost $300,000 to $350,000. One-bedrooms, which average 850 square feet, cost between $450,000 and $520,000; 1,100-square-foot two bedrooms go for $575,000 to $725,000, and 1,250-square-foot to 1,300-square-foot three-bedrooms are $775,000 to $1 million. Amenities include 24-hour security guards, parking, a gym and a laundry room.

    Not surprisingly, the cost of living near Seward Park is significantly less than Central Park or Gramercy Park. With the influx of luxury condos in the Lower East Side, however, that gap is decreasing.

    The Forward Building at 175 East Broadway, built in 1910, was home to the Jewish Daily Forward newspaper. When the renovation of the building is complete this summer, the 10-story building will have 29 luxury apartments ranging from $575,000 to $4.5 million.

    Another condo elevating Seward Park's prices and reputation is 7 Essex St., a new building with luxury lofts.

    "Today, nothing in 7 Essex is below $1.5 million," Shemesh says, "and the triplex penthouse is $3.5 million."


    Bordered by Avenue A, Avenue B, East Seveth Street and East 10th Street, the 10.5-acre park named after former Vice President and New York Governor Daniel Tompkins was designated a public park in 1878.

    The properties with park views are largely rentals, although there is a particularly well-known condo.

    Most of the rentals are archetypal East Village walk-ups, which means they are usually small and oddly shaped, with the occasional bathtub in the kitchen.

    "The average price of a typical East Village one-bedroom rental is $2,300 a month," says Corcoran Group senior associate broker Paul Gavriani. "However, something with a park view will cost you more, running between $2,650 and $2,900."

    The Christodora House at 143 Avenue B is one of Tompkins Square Park's most well-known addresses. The 17-story doorman building built in 1928 was converted to condos in 1986. One-bedrooms range from 650 square feet to 850 square feet and run from $650,000 to $850,000. Two-bedrooms, which rarely become available, average $1.6 million for 1,100 square feet.

    Painter Dustin Horowitz, 32, has lived in three different studios in five years in the Christodora House.

    "It's not like Central Park where tons of people have that view," he says. "Only a handful of people see what I see."


    Brooklyn's first park, Fort Greene Park is a 30-acre green oasis built in 1847 at the urging of poet Walt Whitman. Famed Central Park designers Frederick Law Olmstead and Calvert Vaux redesigned the park in 1864.

    The park, bordered by Myrtle Avenue to the north, Saint Edwards Street to the west, Dekalb Avenue to the south and Washington Park to the east, currently houses tennis and basketball courts, playgrounds and a weekly Saturday greenmarket.

    The buildings that have park views are predominantly townhouses, though there is a high-rise condo two blocks from the park that offers views on the upper floors.

    The townhouses, built in the mid- to late 1880s, are primarily Italian in style and are mostly four stories. They range from 17 feet to 22 feet wide. Prices start around $1.5 million and can go as high as $2.5 million.

    The Greene House, a new high-end condo located at the corner of Carlton and Greene avenues, was completed in October 2005. Building amenities include a fitness area, a daytime concierge and parking. A 755-square-foot one-bedroom goes for $549,000; a 1,735-square-foot two-bedroom is $799,000, and a 999-square-foot two-bedroom with 1,208 square feet of private outdoor space is $899,000.

    New housing stock is coming to the area in the nearby Williamsburgh Savings Bank Building. The tallest building in Brooklyn at 512 feet, is being converted into condos, which are expected to be ready next year.


    Given to the city in 1836 by Peter Stuyvesant, former governor of New Amsterdam, Stuyvesant Square Park is bisected by Second Avenue and hemmed by 15th and 17th streets. Many buildings in the park date back to the 1850s and 1860s.

    "The condos with park views are mostly prewar walk-ups," says Prudential Douglas Elliman executive vice president Tamir Shemesh.

    One-bedrooms that range from 700 square feet to 800 square feet run $650,000 to $775,000, and 1,400-square-foot two-bedrooms start at $1.5 million, according to Shemesh.

    And there are three new condo conversions with park views. Landmark 17 at 233 E. 17th St. is a five-story Victorian Gothic building constructed in 1877. The two- to four-bedroom loft-like units range from $1.7 million to $4.8 million.

    "For what you get, it's still cheaper than Central Park and Gramercy," Shemesh says.

    Rutherford Place at 305 Second Ave., originally built as the Lying-In Hospital in 1899, now offers 122 multi-level units going for $500,000 to $3 million. The Abbey Condominiums at 205 E. 16th St., originally built in 1888 as a church parish, feature stained glass in studios to four-bedrooms that are around $1 million to $4 million.

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    May 18, 2006
    Civic Pride and Volunteerism Bring Allure Back to Riverside Park

    Twenty years ago, Riverside Park was a forlorn and perilous slice of Upper Manhattan.

    People who used it knew to leave by dusk, when drug dealers and prostitutes moved in. A playground at 91st Street was a homeless encampment. Graffiti covered seemingly everything, even Grant's Tomb. A hillside on the park's northern end was a graveyard for the skeletons of stolen cars, and the air was often pungent with the smell of decaying dog carcasses.

    "The area where they used to shoot up was so bad," recalled Jenny Benitez, 73, who has lived on Riverside Drive for 44 years. "There was no fence there, and the users would just slide down the hill."

    It was hardly the vision Frederick Law Olmsted had in mind when he designed the park in the 1870's to give people access to the water and a bit of serenity. Today, even a quick stroll shows how much has changed at Riverside over the years.

    Where cardboard boxes and plywood lean-tos used by the homeless once stood around 138th Street, Mrs. Benitez and others tend garden boxes filled with lettuce, basil, tomatoes and flowers. Near 122nd Street, bird watchers look for the abundant species that stop on their migratory travels in an area of the park where a 23-year-old jogger was raped and beaten in 1985. The 91st Street playground is filled with children who cool off in water fountains near the flowers that cover the area once littered with hypodermic needles.

    It is a striking transformation that began around a kitchen table where a group of residents decided to reclaim a space they considered their front yard. "It became obvious that if we wanted to make something happen, we had to do it ourselves," said Mary Frances Shaughnessy, 61, who attended that first meeting.

    Those informal gatherings were the beginning of the Riverside Park Fund, which is marking its 20th anniversary this year with an art exhibition scattered across the 330 acres of what is now one of the city's jewels.

    "It was a struggle," Milton Norman, 80, the chairman emeritus of the park fund, said of the group's start. "I used to stay up nights worrying about having enough money to pay the executive director."

    Early on, the group realized it had to raise money and recruit volunteers to do the work long neglected by New York City as it dealt with a financial crisis. Information about the fund and requests for donations were mailed to nearby residents. For its first project, the fund decided to do something that would benefit everyone living along the park's four-mile stretch from 65th to 155th Streets, so emergency call boxes were installed and fencing was repaired, said Pamela Tice, one of the group's founders.

    Reviving the park, Ms. Shaughnessy said, "involved a lot of different neighborhoods and involved bringing a lot of different people together who normally wouldn't have had contact."

    Volunteers cleaned the park and hauled in soil to help fill in erosion. People with expertise in fields like horticulture and botany helped recruit and train other volunteers.

    "In the first years volunteers were picking up trash and needles," said James T. Dowell, the president of the Riverside Park Fund. "We've moved far beyond that."

    The fund encouraged local groups to adopt different parts of the park to care for, and in the first 10 years roughly 40 spots were taken. One group maintained the clay tennis courts, others looked after the playgrounds and a community garden group took responsibility for beautifying the park's northern section.

    In the early years, volunteers brought their own tools and lugged buckets of water from their homes because there was no running water. Garden hoses were dragged into the park across Riverside Drive. Mrs. Benitez, who is a volunteer outreach coordinator for the fund, remembers attaching a hose to a faucet in her home, throwing it over her balcony and dragging it down the hill to the park. The fund has since installed an underground irrigation system covering much of the park, and the Riverside Drive rampart at 138th Street is used as a tool shed.

    The buzz of civic involvement also put pressure on the city to do more in the park. The Parks Department continues to provide basic maintenance and trash pickup, but in recent years it has helped finance larger projects, like putting artificial turf on the ball fields. And for the past five years, the city has been working on connecting Riverside to its southern neighbor, Hudson River Park.

    Adrian Benepe, the parks commissioner, grew up and lives on the Upper West Side, so he remembers Riverside's decline. "We despaired that anything would ever get better," he said. "Then bit by bit neighbors started to organize."

    Today the park has so many concerned constituents that changes tend to spur heated discussions. In recent years two projects in particular stirred debate, the one to put artificial turf on heavily used ball fields at 103rd Street and 107th Street, and another to pave a dirt path extending north and south from the Firemen's Memorial at 100th Street.

    "Now you see the park and it's full of people," said Ms. Shaughnessy, who still volunteers with the park fund even though she now lives in Midtown.

    Mr. Norman said that despite its annual budget of nearly $2 million, the Riverside Park Fund is still at heart a grass-roots organization.

    "We've redone every playground, and have a lot of irrigation, but our pride and joy is our volunteer force," he said. "We put 350 to 400 people in the park. It remains a neighborhood park."

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    91st St Garden

    Stairway to waterfront at 91st St

    Cherry Walk at Riverside Church

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    May 30, 2006
    In the Works, Another Park for a Bit of the Waterfront

    In its latest effort to reclaim waterfront land for recreation, New York City plans to turn a half-mile stretch of contaminated landfill and crumbled piers in the Sunset Park section of Brooklyn into a park with panoramic views of the harbor and the Manhattan skyline.

    The landfill was created in the 1970's, when the city planned to convert the site, which it owns, into a cargo terminal. The city halted the landfill work in 1978, though, when it learned that the private contractor had allowed questionable material to be used.

    Investigators later found that elevated levels of arsenic, lead and other hazardous material were in the oil sludge, industrial waste water and other substances put in the landfill.

    There has been no activity since the landfill work was stopped, and the entire half-mile stretch has been fenced off since at least the early 1980's.

    The $36 million plan to correct the environmental hazards and remove the collapsing piers — and to create ball fields, picnic and fishing areas and possibly an environmental education center — was welcomed by Sunset Park residents interviewed last week.

    "It's only going to help the neighborhood," Alex Plasencia, who has lived in Sunset Park for 59 of his 63 years, said near his home on Fourth Avenue and 44th Street, four blocks away. The site runs from 43rd to 51st Streets, between the waterfront and a large complex of buildings and warehouses known as Bush Terminal.

    Mr. Plasencia, a retired truck driver, recalled his boyhood in the neighborhood in the 1950's. "I used to swim off the pier on 53rd Street," he said.

    Candida Villanueva, 56, standing in front of her home of two decades on 43rd Street between Second and Third Avenues, said, "It will be better for it to be a park instead of all that mess."

    Once completed, the park could cost her some of the quiet atmosphere she has now. The plan calls for 43rd Street to be one of two access streets to the park. "Nobody comes down here now," she said.

    That is because the side streets between the water and Third Avenue have more industrial and commercial tenants than residents. There is much less pedestrian traffic on those side streets than on the streets east of Third Avenue, where most of Sunset Park's working-class population lives. The elevated Gowanus Expressway travels above Third Avenue.

    Jeremy Laufer, district manager of Community Board 7, which includes Sunset Park, said the public's only access to the two miles of waterfront in Sunset Park now is a pier at 58th Street, which serves as a terminal for a ferry to Lower Manhattan.

    The plan for more waterfront access here follows projects in recent years that have created a ribbon of new parkland along the Hudson River in Manhattan, and plans for parks in other largely inaccessible shoreline areas of Brooklyn, near the Brooklyn Bridge and in Williamsburg and Greenpoint.

    The largest share of the expected $36 million cost of the Sunset Park project will come from the state: $17.8 million, earmarked for the landfill work, said Gov. George E. Pataki and Mayor Michael R. Blooomberg in describing the project last month. The city and federal governments are to supply the rest of the money.

    Mr. Pataki called the $17.8 million the largest grant the state has awarded to fix a so-called brownfield. A spokesman for his office said the previous largest amount was $7.6 million.

    According to a 2004 report by the state's Department of Environmental Conservation, "elevated levels" of arsenic and lead were found at various locations in the landfill. It says there are lesser levels of polychlorinated biphenyls, chemical compounds that the federal Environmental Protection Agency calls a probable carcinogen.

    The state report says that among the steps to remove "potential risks to future park visitors and workers" will be a two-foot-deep cover of new soil over the current landfill surface, except that it will be six inches where trees have grown on the landfill and are to be retained.

    The work on the landfill is expected to begin next year, and the park is expected to be completed in several years, said Janel Patterson, a spokeswoman for the city's Economic Development Corporation, which is coordinating the project.

    Details remain to be worked out. Because the park will be a long walk from the homes of many Sunset Park residents and no parking areas are planned in the park, Mr. Laufer said his community board would seek to have bus routes extended to the park. And weekday truck traffic is heavy immediately around the park site.

    "We're working with the community to assure safe and regular access," Ms. Patterson said.

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    July 6, 2006
    After Delays, Wireless Web Comes to Parks

    By the end of August, wireless networks will be established at 18 locations in 10 of New York City's most prominent parks — including Central, Prospect and Riverside Parks — in a major citywide expansion of free Internet access, according to city officials.

    The development, to be announced today, would end months of delay for a city project that has faced considerable logistical and technical hurdles since it was announced in June 2003. Wi-Fi Salon, a small start-up company that won the contract for the work in October 2004, said yesterday that Nokia, a Finnish manufacturer of telecommunications devices, had signed on as a sponsor, giving it a well-financed partner that could finally turn the plan into reality.

    Wi-Fi Salon intends to activate 18 wireless "hot spots" by the end of next month at Battery, Central and Riverside Parks and in Washington and Union Squares in Manhattan; at Prospect Park in Brooklyn; at the Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens; and at Pelham Bay and Van Cortlandt Parks and Orchard Beach in the Bronx.

    Eight of the hot spots will be in Central Park and two in Prospect Park. The first of the 18 locations — a stretch of Battery Park, from the Battery Gardens restaurant to the Castle Clinton National Monument — is to be activated today, with the other 17 to follow, in stages, through the end of next month.

    At those locations, users with laptops configured for wireless networking will be able to check e-mail, browse the Internet and download files while sitting on a park bench or sipping a coffee at a concession stand, all at no cost.

    "The expanded Wi-Fi network will give park visitors even more options to enjoy," Adrian Benepe, the parks commissioner, said in a statement. "Park patrons can throw a pitch, score a goal, catch a wave or surf the Internet at some of our city's greatest parks."

    Park advocates said they were delighted to hear that the parks department and Wi-Fi Salon were getting the project moving. "We're glad that they seem to have gotten their ducks in a row," said Christian DiPalermo, executive director of New Yorkers for Parks, an advocacy group that is not involved in the project. "It's long overdue and long awaited by park users."

    Four years ago, the Bryant Park Restoration Corporation created a Wi-Fi hot spot encompassing the six-acre park in Midtown. It has been a huge success, with use of the network rising each summer since the service began in June 2002. About 250 people now use the network each day during the peak summer months.

    Following that example, the Alliance for Downtown New York, a business improvement district in Lower Manhattan, set up wireless hot spots at eight sites from 2003 to 2005, including City Hall Park, Bowling Green and the new Wall Street Park. Some cities, including Philadelphia and San Francisco, have begun to explore creating citywide wireless networks.

    The parks department's own effort, covering some of the city's largest and most heavily used parks, began around the same time but has proceeded in fits and starts. Verizon Communications initially won the contract in April 2004, only to withdraw a month later after concluding that the venture would not be cost-effective.

    Wi-Fi Salon, a small company started by an Upper East Side entrepreneur, Marshall W. Brown, won the three-year contract in October 2004, agreeing to make quarterly payments of $7,500 — totaling $90,000 over three years — or 10 percent of gross receipts from advertising and other sources, whichever is greater.

    Councilwoman Gale A. Brewer of Manhattan, chairwoman of the City Council's Committee on Technology in Government and a major proponent of the project, said that Internet access should be viewed as a public service and that the city's effort to derive revenue from the project was a strategic error.

    "There's no revenue to be made, and I knew that and said that from the beginning," she said.

    In an interview yesterday at Battery Park, Mr. Brown, 47, described Nokia's support as critical. "We looked for a long time to find the right partner — somebody who not only understood the future of Wi-Fi but was willing to commit the resources and vision to make that happen," he said.

    At each hot spot, users will encounter an initial Web portal with information about the park and local history and advertisements for Nokia and other sponsors, which could include retail kiosks that do business in the parks.

    Floris van de Klashorst, a director in the multimedia unit at Nokia's office in White Plains, said he believed that traditional park activities — reading newspapers and listening to music — were increasingly being done using mobile communications devices, in addition to watching television and sending e-mail.

    "Wi-Fi in the parks provides an excellent podium for us to showcase these new kinds of applications," he said. Nokia is marketing several portable devices — essentially scaled-down computers for casual Internet browsing — that can tap into Wi-Fi hot spots. (The most popular "smart phones," including most models of the BlackBerry and the Palm Treo, rely on cellphone networks.)

    Mr. Brown and Mr. van de Klashorst would not discuss the terms of the sponsorship arrangement, saying it was confidential.

    Robert L. Garafola, the deputy commissioner for management and budget at the parks department, said that Wi-Fi Salon still needed final approval for the eight sites in Central Park from the Central Park Conservancy, the nonprofit group that manages the park under a long-term contract that was renewed in April for another eight years.

    Mr. Garafola said he was optimistic about the project after the repeated delays. "I'm feeling pretty good, but we're going to watch it very closely and hold them to the schedule," he said.

    Wi-Fi Salon and Nokia said they planned an extensive marketing campaign, but declined to discuss specifics. Warner Johnston, a parks department spokesman, said he believed that if the system worked, word of mouth would be powerful enough. "I have no question in my mind that once this is active in Central Park, word is going to spread like wildfire," he said.

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    ^ There was a time this would have been regarded as an opportunity for muggers. All those laptops...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc
    ^ There was a time this would have been regarded as an opportunity for muggers. All those laptops...
    They really cleaned up Prospect Park and this is really another step in making it a really first class recreational area, the houses around prospect park have tripled in value in the last 10 years!

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    Judge Halts Washington Sq. Park Redesign

    Published: July 27, 2006

    A State Supreme Court judge has halted the city’s plan to redesign Washington Square Park, saying the Bloomberg administration violated the City Charter by failing to notify the public about all of the proposed changes.

    The ruling, handed down on Tuesday by Justice Emily Jane Goodman, bars the Department of Parks and Recreation from beginning a $16 million renovation until the redesign plan goes through the entire approval process again, beginning with the local community board.

    The proposal must also be re-approved by the Landmarks Preservation Commission and the Arts Commission.

    The decision is the latest setback for the parks department in its effort to push through the park’s most significant alteration since the late 1950’s, when Eleanor Roosevelt and the urbanist Jane Jacobs took an active role and traffic was banned.

    Now the city will again be forced to make its case for redesign, which has inspired impassioned debate in Greenwich Village and includes plans to move the centerpiece fountain about 22 feet so it aligns with the park’s arch and to install a perimeter fence.

    Residents have accused the parks department of hiding critical elements of the plan and of acting without sufficient community input.

    In her ruling, Justice Goodman found that the parks department failed to fully disclose information about the redesign, including the addition of a 45-foot spray jet to the park’s fountain and reduction of the size of the plaza surrounding the fountain by at least 23 percent. The plaza has traditionally been used as a performance space, and the parks department pledged to a council member not to shrink the area by more than 10 percent.

    In a statement, Chris Reo, senior counsel of the City Law Department’s environmental law division, said the city was reviewing its legal options.

    “We believe that the court’s ruling is erroneous, because it ignores the fact that the parks department’s renovation plan for Washington Square Park has been the result of more than two years of public outreach and input,” Mr. Reo said.

    While most people agree that the 9.75-acre park needs a makeover, opponents believe that many of the changes will turn an open space with a tradition of nonconformity into a cookie cutter park.

    The park’s fountain has long been one of the city’s popular spots for residents and tourists — the site of poetry and musical performances in the 1950’s and 1960’s by Allen Ginsberg and Bob Dylan and of mimes, dancers and hip-hop artists today.

    The ruling did not address other elements of the redesign, including the shifting of the fountain and the building of a perimeter fence, though the proposal could be altered as it makes its way again through a second review process.

    The redesign was approved by Community Board 2 last year after a series of raucous public hearings. The Landmarks Preservation Commission and the Arts Commission also ratified the renovation.

    Jonathan Greenberg, a Greenwich Village resident who filed the lawsuit, which sought to stop the renovation, said that the decision would allow the neighborhood to get another look at the proposal.

    “I feel very pleased that there will be some transparency and accountability in this process,” he said.

    While the city’s community boards have only advisory power, Justice Goodman said that a board’s role in the democratic process is protected by the City Charter.

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    this looks like the most interesting park project I have ever seen:

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    You bet ^^^

    You'll love THIS -- the "High Line" has its very own thread.

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    August 24, 2006
    Report Says Worst Parks Get Worse

    The city’s most neglected neighborhood parks continue to get worse, according to an annual report released by a parks advocacy group yesterday. An analysis by the group, New Yorkers for Parks, found that the 10 small parks it had listed as the city’s 10 worst last year also received a failing grade this year. Several parks, among them University Woods in the Bronx and Coney Island Creek Park in Brooklyn, “have essentially hit the bottom, unable to perform much worse than they did this summer,” according to the report. The study cited trash, broken glass and dead animals among the problems at the failing parks. The Parks Department responded by saying that within the next two years it plans to invest about $20 million to help restore the 10 parks in the survey.

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    OK, the question here would also be, how can teh community be encouraged to keep these parks clean?

    Maybe if each person in that area had a $5 surcharge applied to their rent or taxes to pay for the park, you would feel more of that, then again, most would probably say "I'm paying, I shouldn't have to work!".

    Nothing like the park we all helped with... There needs to be community support or it wont be long before ANY park has broken glass and dead animals in it....

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    The problem is that as signature parks in affluent neighborhoods get more private funding, the city cuts the overall Paks Dept budget. The same year the city decided it needed to find $15 million for BBP maintenance, it cut the budget by the same amount.

    Maintenance is dollars per acre. The parks in my neighborhood are not nice because the resident population is more concerned with their upkeep. If you think so, take a walk around here after snow melts, and see the result of lazy people that don't want to trudge to the dog-walk. They are nice because the maintenance budget per acre is several times that of the city parks budget.

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    One solution could be that any of the privately-run parks conservancies (i.e. for Central Park, Bryant Park, Madison Park, etc.) should have to put a share of the funds raised for those particular parks into a general fund that goes towards the lesser served parks.

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