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    Since many P's O S are being reclad these days (e.g., 1095 6th Ave., 100 Park Ave., 655 Madison Ave., etc.), it would be nice if 330 Madison is reclad. It has a horrific facade, and yet, its shape is decent. Also, while 42nd and Madison was a hole 20 years ago (or for that matter 10 years ago), it's now nice. This building deserves a makeover. It's an eyesore in a prime location.

    In addition to a new facade, a crown like that added to the insurance company building on Park when it was reclad would be awesome.

    I believe that Vornado owns this building, so the required resources exist to spruce up this POS.

    What do you think?



    By contrast, consider the before and after photos of 100 Park Avenue:


    Last edited by londonlawyer; January 19th, 2007 at 06:45 PM.

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    ^ Which one is better?

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    the lobby is very modern so unless there is a roleover in some of the
    leases they will not be renvating it any time soon

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    im sorry the looby renovation was in 1991
    so maybe Mr. Roth, will do as you say

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    LOCATION: The building is located on the west side of Madison Avenue between 42nd and 43rd Streets.

    YEAR BUILT: 1963

    LOBBY RENOVATION: 1991

    FLOORS: 39 tenant floors

    BUILDING SIZE: Approximately 742,000 rsf

    FLOOR SIZES: Range: 9,200 rsf - 38,700 rsf

    COCCUPANCY: Offices and Retail Tenants

    ELEVATORS: 16 passenger cars, 1 freight car

    PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE: Madison Avenue between 42nd and 43rd Streets

    SLAB HEIGHT: 11'5"

    EMERGENCY LIGHTING: Emergency battery back-up light fixtures throughout building stairwells.

    HVAC: The building provides HVAC from 8:00am - 6:00pm Monday through Friday and 8:00am - 1:00pm on Saturday. Tenant supplemental HVAC must be in the form of air cooled units.

    TELECOMMUNICATIONS: The building is equipped for fiber-optic and cable wiring.

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    330 Madison replaced the Hotel Manhattan, a 16.5 story limestone-clad hotel by Henry J. Hardenbergh, designer of the Plaza and the Dakota and the original Waldorf-Astoria. Underbuilt? Probably. Better looking? Definitely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInterloafer View Post
    330 Madison replaced the Hotel Manhattan, a 16.5 story limestone-clad hotel by Henry J. Hardenbergh, designer of the Plaza and the Dakota and the original Waldorf-Astoria. Underbuilt? Probably. Better looking? Definitely.

    It makes me naseous to see the masterpiece that was razed.

    By the way, because the part of midtown between 42nd St. and 59th St. has always been deemed the most desirable area for offices, "developers" have razed great old buildings and ruined the streetscape. Therefore, midtown, architecturally, is not as nice as other areas. By contrast Park, Madison, Fifth, Sixth and 7th south of 32nd Street and especially south of 34th have block after block of magnificent highly detailed Pre-WWII architecture. I hope that the savage "developers" don't turn their greedy eyes there.
    Last edited by londonlawyer; January 26th, 2007 at 01:54 PM.

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    My hopes came to fruition. This piece of garbage is getting a new facade!

    Last Action: PERMIT ISSUED - ENTIRE JOB/WORK 06/30/2008 (R)

    Pre-Filed: 06/26/2008 Building Type: Other Estimated Total Cost: $47,825,000.00
    Date Filed: 06/26/2008 Fee Structure: STANDARD Filing Method: E-FILED
    Review is requested under Building Code: 1968
    Job Description Comments

    1 Location Information (Filed At)
    House No(s): 330 Street Name: MADISON AVENUE
    Borough: Manhattan Block: 1277 Lot: 14 BIN: 1035348 CB No: 105
    Work on Floor(s): PH 3 thru 40 Apt/Condo No(s):

    2 Applicant Information
    Name: DAN SHANNON
    Business Name: MOED DE ARMAS & SHANNON ARCHITEC Business Phone: 212-809-0100
    Business Address: 80 BROAD STREET NEW YORK NY 10004 Business Fax: 212-809-0839
    E-Mail: Mobile Telephone:
    License Number: 019730
    Applicant Type: P.E. R.A Sign Hanger Other

    Directive 14 Applicant of Record
    Not Provided
    Previous Applicant
    Not Applicable

    3 Filing Representative
    Name: LARRY/YVETTE/MU GILLMAN/MCPHERSON/HO
    Business Name: JEROME S. GILLMAN CONSULTING ARC Business Phone: 212-349-9304
    Business Address: 40 WORTH STREET SUITE 1630 NEW YORK NY 10013 Business Fax: 212-349-9346
    E-Mail: LARRY@JEROMESGILLMAN.COM Mobile Telephone:
    Registration Number:

    4 Filing Status
    Click Here to View

    5 Job Types
    Alteration Type 1 New Building
    Change in Exits/Egress
    Change in Number of Stories Alteration Type 2 Full Demolition
    Change in Number of Dwelling Units Alteration Type 3 Subdivision: Improved
    Change in Room Count / Dwelling Units Sign Subdivision: Condo
    Change in Occupancy / Use
    Change inconsistent with current Cert. of Occup.
    Alteration Type 1, OT "No Work" Directive 14 acceptance requested? Yes No

    6 Work Types
    BL - Boiler FA - Fire Alarm FB - Fuel Burning FS - Fuel Storage
    FP - Fire Suppression MH - Mechanical PL - Plumbing SD - Standpipe
    SP - Sprinkler EQ - Construction Equipment CC - Curb Cut
    OT - ARCHITECTURAL

    7 Plans/Construction Documents Submitted
    NP - No Plans or AR - Architectural BP - BPP Checklist DM - Demolition (Full/Partial) EN - Energy Analysis
    FO - Foundation ME - Mechanical OT - Other PL - Plumbing
    ST - Structural ZO - Zoning

    8 Additional Information
    Enlargement proposed?
    No Yes Horizontal Vertical

    9 Additional Considerations, Limitations or Restrictions
    Yes No
    Structural peer review required per BC 1627 Peer Reviewer License No.(P.E.):
    Filed to Comply with Local Law Local Law No./Year:
    Other, Specify:
    Restrictive Declaration / Easement
    Zoning Exhibit Record (I,II,III,etc)
    Landmark
    Filed to Address Violation(s)
    Legalization (1/1/89+)
    "Little E" Hazmat Site
    Unmapped Street Yes No
    Adult Establishment Included in LMCCC
    Compensated Development (Inclusionary Housing) Infill Zoning
    Low Income Housing (Inclusionary Housing) Loft Board
    Single Room Occupancy (SRO) Multiple Dwelling Quality Housing
    Filing includes Lot Merger / Reapportionment (If Yes,17) Site Safety Job / Project
    Includes permanent removal of standpipe, sprinkler or fire suppression related systems
    Work includes partial demolition as defined in AC 28-101.5
    Structural Stability affected by proposed work

    BSA Calendar No.(s):
    CPC Calendar No.(s):

    10 ECCCNYS Compliance (Applicant Statement)
    To the best of my knowledge, belief and professional judgment, this application is in compliance with the ECCCNYS.
    Energy analysis is on another job number:
    The work proposed in this application is exempt from the ECCCNYS because per Chapter 1 of the it is:
    An alteration but not a substantial alteration
    Work in a historic building
    Work in an exempt building:


    11 Job Description
    INSTALL NEW CURTAIN WALL AND PANEL SYSTEM ON EXTERIOR BUILDING FROM 3RD THROUGH 41ST FLOORS AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED HEREWITH. NO CHANGE IN USE, EGRESS OR OCCUPANCY.
    Related BIS Job Numbers:
    Primary application Job Number:

    12 Zoning Characteristics
    District(s): C5-3 - RESTRICTED CENTRAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT C5-2.5 - RESTRICTED CENTRAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT
    Overlay(s):
    Special District(s): MID - MIDTOWN
    Map No.: 8c Street legal width (ft.): 80 Street status: Public Private
    Zoning lot includes the following tax lots: Not Provided
    13 Building Characteristics

    2008 Code Designations?
    Occupancy Classification: Existing: COM - COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS - OLD CODE Yes No
    Proposed: COM - COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS - OLD CODE Yes No
    Construction Classification: Existing: FIREPROOF STRUCTURES Yes No
    Proposed: FIREPROOF STRUCTURES Yes No
    Multiple Dwelling Classification: Existing:
    Proposed:
    Building Height (ft.): Existing: 491
    Proposed:
    Building Stories: Existing: 40
    Proposed: 40
    Dwelling Units: Existing:
    Proposed:

    Mixed use building? Yes No

    14 Fill
    Not Applicable Off-Site On-Site Under 300 cubic yards

    15 Construction Equipment
    Not Applicable

    16 Curb Cut Description
    Not Applicable

    17 Tax Lot Characteristics
    Not Provided

    18 Fire Protection Equipment
    Not Applicable

    19 Open Spaces

    20 Site Characteristics
    Yes No Yes No
    Tidal / Fresh Water Wetlands Fire District
    Urban Renewal Flood Hazard Area

    21 Demolition Details
    Not Applicable

    22 Asbestos Abatement Compliance
    The scope of work requires related asbestos abatement as defined in the regulations of the NYC Department of Environmental Protection (DEP).
    The scope of work does not require related asbestos abatement as defined in the regulations of the NYC DEP.
    The scope of work is exempt from the asbestos requirement as defined in the regulations promulgated by the NYC DEP (15 RCNY 1-23(a)).

    23 Signs
    Not Applicable

    24 Comments


    25 Applicant's Statements and Signatures ( See paper form or check Forms Received )
    Yes No
    For New Building and Alteration 1 applications filed under the 2008 NYC Building Code only: does this building qualify for high-rise designation?
    Directive 14 applications only: I certify that the construction documents submitted and all construction documents related to this application do not require a new or amended Certificate of Occupancy as there is no change in use, exits, or occupancy.

    26 Owner's Information
    Name: GASTON SILVA
    Relationship to Owner: VP/COO
    Business Name: 330 MADISON COMPANY LLC Business Phone: 212-894-7434
    Business Address: 888 SEVENTH AVENUE NEW YORK NY 10019 Business Fax: 212-894-7478
    E-Mail: Owner Type: CORPORATION
    Non Profit: Yes No

    Yes No
    Owner's Statement for Energy Conservation Construction Code of NYS
    Owner's Certification Regarding Occupied Housing (Remain Occupied)
    Owner's Certification Regarding Occupied Housing (Rent Control / Stabilization)
    Owner DHCR Notification
    Owner's Certification for Adult Establishment
    Owner's Certification for Directive 14 (if applicable)

    Condo / Co-Op or Corporation Second Officer
    Name: DAVID R GREENBAUM Title: PRESIDENT
    Business Name: 330 MADISON COMPANY LLC Business Phone: 212-894-7414
    Business Address: 888 SEVENTH AVENUE NEW YORK NY 10019 Business Fax: 212-894-7478
    E-Mail:



    Metes and Bounds
    To view metes and bounds, see the Plot Diagram (form PD-1). A scanned image may be available here.

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    I've heard that the scaffolding is rising on this POC. Can anyone confirm this?

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    Confirmed. I work nearby.

    There are workers on the 10th floor or thereabouts, where the building cuts in. They've been there for ~3 weeks, and have put a total of 12 panels, covering the area around one window, in that time. I can't tell if they're recladding the whole ugly mother, or if this is just a trial run, given how slowly they're doing things. You can't see them or their handiwork from the ground yet.

    It's a vast improvement on what's there, but as my co-workers and I keep wondering, it doesn't look particularly stable or comprehensive but more like a cheap-o band-aid solution to make the building less hideous. We've been wondering if these panels will be able to keep out rain and snow...

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    Thanks. I've seen a rendering of the reskin, and it's a vast improvement. Can you take a photo of the panels that have been attached thus far?

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    Will try to take a photo tomorrow.

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    Thanks.

    I was told that the work occurring now is preconstruction and that the full glass wall will start being applied this summer.

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    One of the few needed re-claddings that actually improves the building.


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    I agree with you, Stern.

    330 Madison, in its current state, is an eyesore. The new facade looks nice.

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