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    I think it's unlikely especially since they have to demolish a building first. Anyway, I think they mean start construction in summer 2005.

    "It will take about 18 months to build and after saying he would start in 2005, Sciame immediately amended that to 2006. “I don’t want to put too much pressure on myself I have enough of that from clients,” he said. "
    What I said was:

    I think its highly possible for this type of building to complete construction in under a years time.
    I will discussing the unique structural system not the demolition and foundations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyC MaNiAc
    Trying to find 11 rich people in New York City is like trying to find a needle in a haystick! *Sarcasm* :roll:
    more like hay in a haystack. I think it's totally conceiveable that he could find 11 people rich (and foolish?) enough to pony up the admitedly high price.

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    ^Note the sarcasm in asterisks.

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    How do you find a needle in a haystack?

    Burn the haystack. Sift the ashes.
    (not to be applied to the New York metaphor listed above)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarknt67
    Quote Originally Posted by NyC MaNiAc
    Trying to find 11 rich people in New York City is like trying to find a needle in a haystick! *Sarcasm* :roll:
    more like hay in a haystack. I think it's totally conceiveable that he could find 11 people rich (and foolish?) enough to pony up the admitedly high price.
    why must they be foolish?

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    Newsday article on Calatrava...
    http://www.nynewsday.com/entertainme...home-headlines

    Some quotes:

    80 South St.

    Within a few years, it was Sciame who was hiring Calatrava and offering a tight parcel of land near the South Street Seaport for one of the architect's most startling experiments: an 835-foot tower of cubes reminiscent of the sculptures in his living room.

    The condominium at 80 South St. will be an alternating stack of four-story town houses clinging to a central core and fastened by spindles on either side. In direct violation of the Manhattan developer's first commandment - Thou Shalt Use Every Inch - much of the tower consists of empty space.

    If it ever gets built, 80 South St. will engrave itself onto the Manhattan skyline and become an instant landmark. It must be an awesome thing to see one's ideas dominate a landscape in perpetuity that way, but the architect demurs.

    "This is a profession you have to approach with a lot of humility," he says. "These works mostly bring honor to those who commissioned them and to those who built them with their hands. I see these works with a certain distance, because they're not mine anymore, they belong to the people who use them.

    "The best is to go into a train station that I've built and buy a ticket. The guy in the ticket booth might recognize me, which is a marvelous feeling, but it might be that he doesn't and I go in like any other passenger, except that I enter with a critical eye, looking to see how it's held up. When I use the train station in Zurich, I look at it with the perspective of 20 years since we began.

    "I can say that it's aging with dignity."

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    Will this be built? Or not? Opinions? Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVNYC
    Will this be built? Or not? Opinions? Thoughts?
    It has a better-than-average chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVNYC
    Will this be built? Or not? Opinions? Thoughts?
    I say give it more time. It has been quiet for a while, but these things don't always make news. Its not expected to begin for a while, and as far as I know the building on site is not empty. But I could be wrong.

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    The site is occupied by a building owned by the developer.

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    From the New New York Skyline:

    That model has been pushed to its extreme with a new plan by the Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava for a building that would rise at 80 South Street, near the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge. The tower, which may be approved by the city planning department later this month, would be anchored by an 835-foot-tall concrete core, with 12 four-story cubes cantilevered off its sides, each of which would house a single 10,000-square-foot apartment. The design is reminiscent of a well-known proposal from the 1970's: the Japanese Metabolist towers, never built, in which entire housing blocks sprouted out of vertical columns like the branches of a tree. In Mr. Calatrava's hands, however, that vision is far more elegant. The apartments appear as crystalline glass town houses floating above the city. Their beauty stems as much from their aura of poetic isolation as from their structural purity.

    But what's mind-boggling about the scheme are the economics that make it possible. Like Mr. Meier's Charles Street tower, each of Mr. Calatrava's apartments is conceived as a self-contained urban refuge, a $30,000,000 prestige object for the global elites. If they like, Mr. Calatrava will even custom design each of the apartments to suit them.

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    GREAT! Everyone keep your fingers crossed!!!

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    The picture in the Sunday Times was BIG. Must be online somewhere.


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    From the Engineering News-Record. There were some photos, including one excellent rendering that I have not seen before. It is a rendering, I believe, from a point near the top of the structure, looking south. Take a look. I can submit if the link fails...


    http://enr.construction.com/features...s/040913-1.asp

    Skyscraping Enthusiasm
    Developer sticks his neck out with plan for 835-ft-tall tower in lower Manhattan (9/13/2004 Issue) By Nadine M. Post


    Frank J. Sciame Jr. has extra-special affection of late for the Brooklyn Bridge. It all began one day in 1999, when he stood on his favorite structure and gazed back at the East River’s historic seaport district. It was there that New York’s intrepid "little developer who can" made up his mind to follow his gut instinct and risk $4 million on a rundown property a stone’s throw from the World Trade Center.

    Sciame now calls the decision, taken against advice sought from more-seasoned developers, one of his best. "I looked at 80 South Street and thought, ‘As long as the world doesn’t end, downtown is coming back. And if the world ends, it doesn’t matter,’" he says about the day.

    Little could Sciame have imagined that on Sept. 11, 2001, the safe and secure world he and most Americans knew would come to an end. Little could he have suspected that his "bridge" decision would set the stage for his gutsiest course of action. For if the 53-year-old contractor-turned-developer has his way, an 835-ft-tall symbol of New York’s and Frank Sciame’s indomitable spirit will soon shoot up in place of his six-story building.

    Why put the building, just recently renovated to house his 29-year-old construction management firm and eight-year-old development company, on growth hormones? Why build a tower that will stand out like a sore thumb, especially in a time of skyscraper skittishness? Why stretch his comfort level and risk his bank account?

    Sciame’s reply always is the same. "I don’t think you should go through life looking over your shoulder," he says. "I think you’ve got to stand tall."
    Grand gestures are noble, but will people pay $3,000 per sq ft, or as much as $12 million a unit, for the privilege of sticking their necks out so near to Ground Zero?

    Sciame thinks so. He maintains that 9/11 was just a blip on the screen of economic recovery for lower Manhattan, which he predicts will soon find itself at the center of his favorite city’s "emotional heart." Besides, Sciame considers the future residential tower, designed by his newfound favorite "starchitect" Santiago Calatrava, not just a statement about New Yorkers’ resilience but "a true work of art." He might even buy a unit himself. That is, "if I can afford it," he says.

    The tower scheme– 12 stacked "glass" cubes, offset to either side of a concrete spine–owes its existence to 9/11. Before terrorists destroyed the twin 110-story towers, Sciame had envisioned a conventional high-rise for 80 South Street. But "after seeing the public making this great commitment to great architecture" at Ground Zero, Sciame felt "the time was right" to alter the skyline along the East River.

    The developer is called a pioneer and a visionary for his dogged pursuit of the tower scheme. "80 South Street is so critically important," said Amanda Burden, New York City’s planning commissioner, at a recent forum on the East riverfront’s revival. "The building can do an enormous amount to revitalize lower Manhattan," she added.

    Gerard Neumann Jr., of the local marine constructor, Spearin, Preston & Burrows Inc., calls Sciame "energetic, smart, driven, dedicated to improving life in New York and honest."

    Revving Up

    What started his engine? Though no Horatio Alger, Sciame hails from humble roots. The son of a union painter who labored seven days a week, his parents and two sisters lived in his grandparents’ house in Brooklyn. The household, he says, was filled with "a great mix of love and a moral compass." But watching his parents work so hard made him determined to give his own family "more than we had," he says.

    Sciame started out studying engineering at City College of New York, but found the math too theoretical. His love for buildings prompted him to switch to architecture. And his love for building prompted him to start F.J. Sciame Construction Co. Inc. His first job, repairing a gate for New York University, paid $75.

    Sciame soon was using his training as an architect not only to help manage construction projects but grow his business. Sciame, ranked 67 on ENR’s Top 100 CMs-at-risk list in 2004, has a staff of about 100 and $500 million of projects under way.

    Sciame has a varied roster of commercial, institutional and residential CM jobs, including new construction, interiors and historic restorations. Completed projects include the $45-million Museum of Jewish Heritage and the $10-million restoration of the New Victory Theater. Currently under way are the $65-million expansion of the Pierpont Morgan Library and the $46-million Historic Front Street at the South Street Seaport, near 80 South Street. For that, Sciame also is the developer with two partners.

    Sciame is known for having the eye of an architect, the skills of a contractor and the instincts of a deal-maker. Clients like "the breadth and depth" of his teams, as well as excellent and timely performance and concern for design, quality and economy. "He’s almost a patron of the projects he works on, like a modern Medici," says Stephen V. DeSimone, president of DeSimone Consulting Engineers, the local structural engineer of record for the tower.

    "Every architect in New York City wants to have a building built by Frank Sciame," says one architect.

    Sciame is the 2004-05 chairman of the New York Building Congress. Richard T. Anderson, the group’s president, calls his temporary boss "an extraordinary person, with an incredible ability to capture the total picture."

    Sciame’s chairmanship is just one of his myriad activities. Among other commitments, he serves on the boards of the City College Fund, the South Street Seaport Museum and the New York Landmarks Conservancy. He chairs the Seaport North Community Business Association, which he helped organize.

    What keeps Sciame’s engine revved, besides his wife Barbara of nearly 29 years and his four children, ages 17-24? One clue is the writing on the corridor wall leading to the office squash court. Hand-picked by Sciame, a great believer in inspirational sayings, they are from The Winner Within, by famed basketball coach Pat Riley. "You must give every bit of energy you have to win by an inch," says one. "You must be willing to raise the stakes, take on responsibility and follow through doggedly until the job is done," says another.

    One of Sciame’s favorite off-the-wall sayings is "non-illegitimi carborundum." He says it means "don’t let the bastards grind you down." The phrase helps him get through the rough times in construction, an industry he calls, "unfairly difficult," at least in his favorite city, New York.

    The 2000 purchase of 80 South Street was not Sciame’s first move based on gut instinct. His first deal was the purchase for $1 of a landmark row house in the ailing seaport district. He expanded and renovated the property, which was crumbling at the time. It now is worth millions.

    High-Wire Act

    Sciame’s all-time most daring enterprise is the tower. If all goes well, construction could begin as soon as late next year or early 2006 and take two years.

    Sciame’s reputation among architects actually led to his introduction to his architect. In 2002, when Calatrava’s Manhattan townhouse renovation needed a push, Calatrava’s architect recommended Sciame as construction manager.

    In the two years since, their relationship has blossomed. "He’s the real thing," says Calatrava. "I have never met someone as passionate or as enthusiastic."

    Their mutual admiration aside, the road to the residential tower commission, for which Calatrava is architect and design engineer, was bumpy. In 2003, after producing two study models in quick succession, Calatrava returned Sciame’s check. He explained that, regrettably, he was unhappy with his initial concept and due to other obligations, unable to pay proper attention to the project.

    Six months later, Sciame got a call from Calatrava. "Were there any height restrictions on the building?" he asked. "Virtually none," was the answer. Those were the magic words. "Calatrava’s enthusiasm returned," says Sciame. "I forwarded a larger honorarium and we were on our way."

    The rest is history in the making.

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