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    Midtown:

    "Hmmm, all this sounds great. I've never been to AC, but if they keep it up I might have to pay a visit."

    Its a hell hole. The Borgata ( and etc.) is nice because its a self contained "environment"...you could be anywhere.

    Out on the streets its a completely different scene...largely a slum... Camden-by-the-sea. The boardwalk is about as charming as 14th street circa 1978.

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    June 20, 2006
    Atlantic City and Rail Line Agree to Offer Direct Service
    By RONALD SMOTHERS

    NEWARK, June 19 Three Atlantic City casinos have agreed to finance direct weekend train service to and from New York City's Pennsylvania Station in a bid to win new customers.

    The deal was approved on Monday when New Jersey Transit, the state-run commuter rail line, agreed to operate the service, which was scheduled to start in 2007. The three casinos, Borgata, Caesars and Harrah's, will put up $15 million to buy eight new double-decker rail cars and provide $4 million a year to pay the annual operating costs for a three-year demonstration period.

    An additional $4.5 million will come from the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, a state agency financed by 12 casinos in the city, to lease diesel engines from Amtrak for the initial three years.

    Auggie Cipollini, senior vice president and chief administrative officer of the Borgata, said "this is all of a piece" with an array of other marketing moves by the industry to increase or at least hold the line on revenues. Those moves have included increasing the number of hotel rooms, broadening entertainment and restaurant offerings, and welcoming new retail outlets. In 2005, the casinos generated $5.018 billion in revenue.

    For New Jersey Transit, the nation's third-largest publicly operated commuter rail operation, participating in the experiment was an easy decision, officials there said.

    "Anytime we can increase service without having to invest the money ourselves is a plus," said Kris Kolluri, the state transportation commissioner and chairman of the transit agency's board. "The casinos have done marketing studies to show that this will be profitable, and the good news for us is that it is entirely financed by them."

    The ticket price for the 2 -hour train ride has not been determined, Mr. Cipollini said. One-way bus tickets from New York to Atlantic City are about $30 for the 2 -hour journey. Travelers can also get there by taking a one-way Amtrak train from Penn Station to Philadelphia at a cost of $42 to $64, and then switching to New Jersey Transit's $7.25 one-way service to Atlantic City.

    Dan Dressel, a spokesman for New Jersey Transit, said casino operators were hoping to come up with a competitive price for the service.

    The plan calls for running 18 weekend trains to and from Atlantic City equipped for dining and drinking. The service is expected to provide round-trip transportation for approximately 1,100 people each weekend, the officials said.

    While each casino will have a block of tickets for its customers, at least 25 percent of the tickets must be available to the public because of the financing from the casino reinvestment agency, which has helped pay for housing, roads, health centers and hotel expansions that are deemed to benefit Atlantic City and the gambling industry.

    Mr. Cipollini said the casinos providing the bulk of the financial support would most likely use the rail service in "a lot of good marketing packages" aimed at higher-end gambling and nongambling customers.

    "I think it is great for us to be in the railroad business," he said.

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    Default It sounds like it's going to be on the expensive side.

    You can get halfway there (Bay Head) for $20 R/T on NJT. Or you can take NJT via the Riverline and PATCO for around $30 R/T, but it would probably take longer than three hours. I'm curious to see which route the trains will take.

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    One way to encourage tourism to Atlantic City is to upgrade the Expressway and the Garden State to autobahn-spec, and to post higher speed limits (75+). This will cut down the travel time from both NYC and Philadelphia. 65 is ok, but it still leaves too many opportunities for the NJSP to nab people doing 70. Who needs the hassle of Atlantic City, when they can hop a cheap flight to Las Vegas and take a shuttle to their favorite casinos?

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    The ticket price for the 2 ½-hour train ride has not been determined, Mr. Cipollini said. One-way bus tickets from New York to Atlantic City are about $30 for the 2 ½-hour journey.
    Why is the train as slow as the bus?

    Are freight trains going to bollox this service too?

    Dan Dressel, a spokesman for New Jersey Transit, said casino operators were hoping to come up with a competitive price for the service.
    Good for them. How about free with documentary evidence of casino gaming?

    The plan calls for running 18 weekend trains to and from Atlantic City equipped for dining and drinking.
    That's the idea.

    Will there be strippers?
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    The train from my town to Penn (50 miles) is slower than the bus ride to Port Authority. NJ Transit sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob
    One way to encourage tourism to Atlantic City is to upgrade the Expressway and the Garden State to autobahn-spec, and to post higher speed limits (75+). This will cut down the travel time from both NYC and Philadelphia. 65 is ok, but it still leaves too many opportunities for the NJSP to nab people doing 70. Who needs the hassle of Atlantic City, when they can hop a cheap flight to Las Vegas and take a shuttle to their favorite casinos?
    I can't believe posting speeds 10 m.p.h. more would make a difference whether people go or don't go to A.C. Besides, everyone is going 75-85 anyway. I also don't see how a 2.5 hour train ride is a "hassle" as opposed to the 4.5 hour flight out to Vegas and dealing with getting to and from two airports.

    On the other hand, even if it takes the same amount of time, a train could make a big difference: no driving, no speeding tickets, no parking, NO TRAFFIC JAMS, and partying on the train! I completely agree that it is ridiculous that it doesn't go faster than the bus with only one stop in Newark, but this is very good news for Atlantic City and mass transit users. It's about time, I bet it will be popular.

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    My hunch is that theyll use the tracks that are already in place between AC and NY. They probably cant handle high speeds. And considering the Amtrack accidents of the last few years...safety is probably a consideration.

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    Here is a map of the existing tracks in place. I'm not sure if there is already some sort of old rail infrastructure in place that simply needs to be revamped, or if entirely new tracks have to be laid. In any case, some level of work will be done to connect Bay Head to Atlantic City. And you can be sure they won't be using high-speed trains.


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    3 hour train trip already available NYC > AC via Philly weekdays & weekends ...

    AMTRAK : NYC > Philly ~ 1 hr. 20 min.

    NY TRANSIT : Philly > Atlantic City ~ 1 hr. 30 min.

    Travelers can also get there by taking a one-way Amtrak train from Penn Station to Philadelphia at a cost of $42 to $64, and then switching to New Jersey Transit's $7.25 one-way service to Atlantic City.

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    The following article by Thomas Barlas was posted on the Press of Atlantic City website on June 16.)

    ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- NJ Transit could decide Monday whether to begin new rail service between Atlantic City and New York.

    The proposal will be discussed by NJ Transit's board of directors Monday. A vote on the plan is expected, NJ Transit spokeswoman Penny Bassett Hackett said.

    Karlis Povisils, director of policy research for the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, said the train would stop only at Newark during its run between New York and Atlantic City. The trip would take about 2 hours, or the same time it takes a bus to run between Manhattan and Atlantic City, he said.

    An attempt to connect New York City and Atlantic City with a direct train failed in the late 1980s. This time, Atlantic City's casinos, faced with looming competition from Pennsylvania and New York, are apparently putting their weight behind the project. The train would run as a contract operation, with the casino industry guaranteeing operating costs and handling other services such as marketing, Povisils said.

    NJ Transit Executive Director George Warrington said during a transportation conference in Atlantic City in April that NJ Transit was working out details with Amtrak for the use of a portion of Amtrak's Northeast Corridor line between 30th Street Station in Philadelphia and Trenton.

    NJ Transit already runs trains along the Northeast Corridor line between Trenton and Newark. It needs to use the portion of the Northeast Corridor line between 30th Street Station and Trenton so customers can ride one of its trains between Atlantic City and Newark without having to change trains in Philadelphia.

    While Warrington wouldn't discuss details of the plan, transportation officials said they involve whether NJ Transit's proposed train service would cut in profits for cash-strapped Amtrak.

    Should those details work out and NJ Transit get the passenger cars and engines it needs, the service could begin in about 18 months to two years, Warrington said during the April conference.

    NJ Transit's rail plan would essentially link the Atlantic City line which runs between Atlantic City and Philadelphia and the Northeast Corridor line.

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    I'm guessing that the train would stop at Newark Airport and possibly Rahway as well -

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    Why the hell wouldn't they just extend the North Jersey Coast line? It's a shorter distance, and it's a much quicker route than going right by Philly. Am I missing something here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686
    Why the hell wouldn't they just extend the North Jersey Coast line? It's a shorter distance, and it's a much quicker route than going right by Philly. Am I missing something here?
    I guess people in South Jersey wouldn't like that idea.

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    Yeah but people in South Jersey already have the Atlantic City Line. The whole point of this is to give people closer to New York City easy access. It just makes no sense to make people take a train that goes west to Philly just to go back east later. It's thinking like this that has led to American rail travel becoming a laughingstock.

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    When I found the above article I was actually looking for information if there ever was a train that went all the way to AC following the shore line. Does anybody know? Bay Head is about 40 miles from AC, and for some reason you have to change trains at Long Branch to go any further South.

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