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    It will probably cast shadows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp
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    Nascar supporters point out that Englishtown, N.J., was largely undeveloped before Nascar built Raceway Park there. The races, they say, were instrumental in developing Englishtown into a thriving area that generates significant tax revenue.
    This is one of those articles which is Bull sh!t, and it's quite obvious the author did not even spend five minutes of research.

    I live literally 400 yards from Raceway park, I live in Manalapan (Englishtown is a borough of Manalapan down the road from where I am). I've grown up here since 1977 (was born on Staten Island), I've seen the area go from a very rural area to one of the most desirable areas for families fleeing NYC for the Suburbs. You can't throw a rock around here without hitting a Toll Brothers house, but some good has come with the development and that would be Wegmans.

    I say the author does not know Sh!t for two main reasons, first Raceway park was built for NHRA (National Hot Rod Association racing) not NASCAR. It's a 1/4 mile drag stip not an oval or road coarse.

    Second living here for almost 30 years I've watched the development first hand, it has absolutely nothing to do with Raceway park. It has everything to do with the Expansion of Route 9, the Garden State Parkway, and the quality of the Schools. It's also a pretty direct route to get here from Staten Island and Brooklyn which makes it easy for City people to find compared to say West Windsor or Pennigton.

    Englishtown the borough is economically depressed compared to Manalapan, Englishtown has the Auction and Raceway Park neither of which help the local economies. The only business that is helped by Raceway park is the local WaWa store.

    It's all NY'ers bringing their hot rods to Raceway park for car shows and also on Wendesday nights in the Summer you can pay $25 Dollars to race your 1986 Ford Escort Station wagon down the track it you want. They will not let you do that at a NASCAR track, Raceway park hosts tons of events in the Summer from the Great Full Dead in the late 1970s to the Vans Warp Tour the last two years. There's also a Motorcross track which is tons of fun!

    An Oval Nascar track is very limited to what they can host.

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    The best plan I've seen for a Nascar track was the Meadowlands plan, it would have been built on the site of the Meadowlands horse track. The horse track would still exist using the infield of the NASCAR oval, the stands and concessions would work both venues.

    The Nascar race schedule is not going to book night after night of the Summer even with all their different leagues, better to have a facility that can be used for other events.

    Also all the infastructure of the Meadowlands being built (Rail line etc) and the NJ Turnpike are better suited to handling big events.

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    I feel like making a mistake that blatant in a published news article would lead to getting fired. There shouldn't even be a debate.

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    The draft scope of work for the Motorsports Entertainment Complex (aka Nascar Speedway) on Staten Island EIS contains a proposed site plan:
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_...raft_scope.pdf

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    Looks like you'd have quite a walk ahead of you were you to arrive at the track by ferry. Unless, of course, there's a shuttle bus running between the dock and the track.

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    I noticed that, too.

    Big negative IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    I noticed that, too.

    Big negative IMO.
    Big negative?..... A little walk?.....Wow, you people are picky.

    Personally, I find the 799 buses, 83 ferries, 40 helicopters, 8400 cars, and the 600+ RV's, to be the problem.
    And don't forget about routing buses on residential streets, closing highway exits, parking restrictions, and changing streets to one-way - all to suit ISC's needs.

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    The existing train track runs right through the center of that track diagram.

    MUCH closer to the track than the water. People could get off right next to the race track.

    Why is this NOT being considered at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by splicing
    Wow, you people are picky.

    Personally, I find the 799 buses, 83 ferries, 40 helicopters, 8400 cars, and the 600+ RV's, to be the problem.
    Even the ferries? Now who's being picky?

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    The ferries would only be there during race days and are bad for two reasons:

    1) They are traveling in a dangerously busy channel that has been, on a number of occasions, closed down do to oil and gasoline spills.

    2) Even if the channel was a safe place, the ferries would not serve Islanders — they would only be there on race days for NASCAR fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VDiMiceli
    The ferries would only be there during race days and are bad for two reasons:

    1) They are traveling in a dangerously busy channel that has been, on a number of occasions, closed down do to oil and gasoline spills.

    2) Even if the channel was a safe place, the ferries would not serve Islanders — they would only be there on race days for NASCAR fans.
    OK, but how does that affect you?

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    It doesn't and that's the problem.

    But my opinion on this is quite clear:

    If they're going to build the track, Islanders should get immediate dividends — at worst, a reactivation of the North Shore Rail Line and at best a connection to Newark and Penn Station.

    That would benefit all Islanders — not just those people going to the NASCAR track.

    Otherwise, it shouldn't get built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VDiMiceli
    It doesn't and that's the problem.

    ...Otherwise, it shouldn't get built.
    So if something doesn't benefit you or Staten Island residents personally it shouldn't be done, even if there's no harm in it.

    That's a new twist on NIMBYism.

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