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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post

    It's just more PC to help out the poor.
    It's more than pc ... smart businessmen know that you can't let the "bottom" segment of society grow too large, as there is power in numbers. Poor & hungry people can get pretty pissed off. Plus the poor are less able to consume the products that companies are producing, so it's in the interest of the manufacturing sector to raise the standard of living of those less fortunate.

    And, as hard as it might be to believe, there are actually some people who do it out of a sense that bettering the plight of the poor is the right thing to do -- in the karmic sense.

    There was a philosopher born a couple of thousand years ago who pushed that idea. Seems to have caught on with some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Plus the poor are less able to consume the products that companies are producing, so it's in the interest of the manufacturing sector to raise the standard of living of those less fortunate.
    Wealth by production: the Henry Fordian view of capitalism. And it's not just manufacturing. One of the biggest gripes about Wal-Mart is that it's still too expensive for their hourly employees to shop there.

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    Default not what happened here though

    If you read the wikipedia entry on Starrett City, you'll see this was NOT intended as housing for the poor - in fact, its early history was pretty evil system of quotas to prevent white flight. It just became housing for the poor because noone wanted to live in East New York.

    My guess is if market rents rise above the section 8 rents, the landlord will empty the building and opt for market rate tenants. Currently, that seems far from happening, but you never know. A big investment like this seems like something to add some spotlight to this neighborhood and hopefully bring it some needed investment.

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    Gates in Place of Doormen


    By JAKE MOONEY
    Published: January 28, 2007

    The only thing stretching across the entrance to the Bay Front Estates at Mill Basin last week, over a mud-and-gravel road split by a trench for the new water and sewer pipes, was a string of multicolored flags, sagging from a pair of long two-by-fours driven into the raw ground.

    But while the development, in southeastern Brooklyn, is still unfinished and the lavish single-family houses inside have only begun to sell, there is a sign that something unusual is afoot. On either side of the entrance, a few feet from each of the ersatz flagpoles, are little guard huts. Once the road is done, the people in the huts will control access to that rarest of New York development phenomena: a gated community.





    “Just about everyone in Florida lives in one now, and Las Vegas, but they are kind of rare in our area,” said the development’s exclusive broker, Tony vanderBeek of Coldwell Banker Mid Plaza Real Estate.



    True, New York City has a small number of long-established gated communities, like Sea Gate in Brooklyn and Breezy Point in Queens. But the Bay Front Estates is new, and at least one more is on the way, in Brooklyn’s Bergen Beach. That fenced-off complex is called Mill Harbor Condominiums, and according to its Web site, it will offer its residents “suburban lifestyle close to Manhattan.”

    Surprisingly enough, a suburban way of life is just what many people are after, said Dorothy Turano, district manager of Community Board 18, which includes Bergen Beach and Mill Basin.

    On the Bay Front Estates site, the board pushed for low-density housing during a tortuous, decade-long rezoning process that saw the rise and fall of multiple development proposals for the land, a fallow stretch across the water from Kings Plaza Mall. In the end, Ms. Turano said, the board was thrilled with the plan by the Queens-based developer H & H Builders for a gated, strictly residential community.

    “We don’t have mixed uses here, and we don’t want them,” she said. “We don’t think you should mix commercial and residential. It doesn’t work, not in Brooklyn. The boroughs, they’re more suburban and we want to keep it suburban.”

    State Senator Carl Kruger, who represents the neighborhood, said he was impressed by Bay Front Estates, with its meandering road and decorative streetlights, and the flexibility it will give a future homeowners’ association to determine its own level of security.

    “It’s exactly what we’d like to be able to replicate on undeveloped parcels throughout the community,” he said.

    In the section of Mill Basin near the site, the houses are similar to, if smaller than, the ones inside where the gate will be. The neighboring houses are brick on the first floor, with white siding or shingles above. The homes at Bay Front Estates have stucco. The neighboring homes are detached from one another, with yards, driveways and even garages.

    The streets were largely quiet on a recent afternoon, but comments by the few residents who were out suggested that the new estates were no big deal.

    “I don’t think anything is really a big deal around here,” 23-year-old Daniel Bykhovsky, who was walking to the bus, said wryly.

    So far, Mr. vanderBeek said, four of the new houses have been sold. Twenty others have been built, and 10 lots on the water are set aside for custom houses. The asking prices for the existing houses begin at $1.35 million.

    The gate that will be installed at the entrance, he said, is less about safety than about creating a sense of distinctness for the homes within: five-bedroom houses with marble bathrooms. They are, Mr. vanderBeek said, “the nicest houses in the area.”



    Construction at the Mill Harbor Condominiums is scheduled to continue until the end of the year, but new owners are to begin moving in next month.
    Sean Lavin, one of the partners in Parkmore Development, which is building the complex, said the gate would distinguish the walkable, garden-style units from the detached one- and two-family homes nearby.

    “It’s not so much that you’re preventing people from getting in there,” Mr. Lavin said. “I think people liked the idea of added security. They didn’t feel the necessity to have it, but it’s similar to being in a doorman building, where it adds a sense of exclusivity.”

    Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
    “Just about everyone in Florida lives in one now, and Las Vegas, but they are kind of rare in our area,” said the development’s exclusive broker, Tony vanderBeek of Coldwell Banker Mid Plaza Real Estate.
    True, New York City has a small number of long-established gated communities, like Sea Gate in Brooklyn and Breezy Point in Queens. But the Bay Front Estates is new, and at least one more is on the way, in Brooklyn’s Bergen Beach. That fenced-off complex is called Mill Harbor Condominiums, and according to its Web site, it will offer its residents “suburban lifestyle close to Manhattan.”
    Surprisingly enough, a suburban way of life is just what many people are after, said Dorothy Turano, district manager of Community Board 18, which includes Bergen Beach and Mill Basin.
    On the Bay Front Estates site, the board pushed for low-density housing during a tortuous, decade-long rezoning process that saw the rise and fall of multiple development proposals for the land, a fallow stretch across the water from Kings Plaza Mall. In the end, Ms. Turano said, the board was thrilled with the plan by the Queens-based developer H & H Builders for a gated, strictly residential community.
    “We don’t have mixed uses here, and we don’t want them,” she said. “We don’t think you should mix commercial and residential. It doesn’t work, not in Brooklyn. The boroughs, they’re more suburban and we want to keep it suburban.”
    State Senator Carl Kruger, who represents the neighborhood, said he was impressed by Bay Front Estates, with its meandering road and decorative streetlights, and the flexibility it will give a future homeowners’ association to determine its own level of security.
    “It’s exactly what we’d like to be able to replicate on undeveloped parcels throughout the community,” he said.
    How misguided are these Brooklynites?

    Why would you want to make the outer boroughs more suburban in character?

    Is the suburban model the type of model that anyone should even try to follow anymore?

    Much less neighborhoods within a large city?!!

    Fools.

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    First it was Miami. Now, Naples comes to Brooklyn.

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    Ironic that Brooklyn is looking to emulate Miami when Miami is now trying to emulate New York.

    The grass is always greener on the other side fence...

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    Forte'


    99 Gold


    Beacon Tower & J Condo


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    let me guess, location pratt, brooklyn... nice close up views of 7the world trade center, downtown manhattan... somebody upgraded their camera.

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    ^ yup.
    Thursday I had to walk to Manhattan since I couldn't afford the train. So we begin here in Ft. Greene.


    Myrtle Avenue




    The "back" of Forte'


    John Catsimatides' Development. Includes a 400' tower by SOM along with some other stuff.


    I'm assuming the tower will rise here along Flatbush Ext..


    What Ratner can do to an architect like Cesar Pelli.


    Oro Condos






    Brooklyn's tallest new skyscraper. Hopefully not for long....
    Last edited by Derek2k3; February 26th, 2007 at 12:18 AM.

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    ...since Piano will design a new tower for Brooklyn Tech here.


    Doesn't seem like much is happening at "Brooklyn's Flatiron Building" (85 Flatbush).


    Notice another development site.


    Looking back down Flatbush.


    Bridge View Tower








    Getting on the Bridge


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    Usual rush hour congestion on the BQE




    Bridge View is illuminated nicely at night.


    DUMBO




    Adios Bk.


    Downtown looking dreamier than photos can show.


    ..or maybe I was just getting tired.


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    Last 3. Too dark to take photos after this. I eventually got to the sustainable skyscraper lecture at 7WTC and walked over the BK Bridge on the way back. These walks sure help me remember how beautiful the city is.





    Last edited by Derek2k3; February 26th, 2007 at 12:27 AM.

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    Nice pics, Derek.

    Do you know why this entrance to Metrotech is blocked by the police at all times by any chance?

    IMO, this is a great shot that illustrates exactly what's wrong with Metrotech. It's completely cut off--by design--from the rest of the nabe.



    Brooklyn's tallest new skyscraper. Hopefully not for long....[/quote]

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