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    Investordude I did not mean LI as a whole but the area itself. What i had in mind was more a light rail connecting Roosevelt Field to Hofstra and Nassau Coliseum.
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    Default potentially, but it wouldn't be cheap

    I'd imagine most people in LI will balk at anything that results in higher taxes unless its absolutely essential.

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    They're fools then. Light rail would do wonders for the "Island" in reducing traffic. People need to get out of their driving culture and embrace mass transit more.

    Long Islanders are even worst than city residents in being backwards thinking sometimes.

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    Default New version of lighthouse

    Just saw it on the Islanders pre-game show tonight; the Lighthouse porject is revamped an alive apparently. They are saying construction will start in 08. Here is new site:

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    Anyone else feels underwhelmed by the latest design? Needs light rail to be successful, otherwise it'll feel just like another residential area surrounding a mall.

    From Newsday:

    Rendering of the Ice Rink

    Rendering of the Celebrity Plaza

    Rendering of the residential area

    Rendering of the retail area

    Rendering of the Canal for Long Island

    Aerial rendering of the project

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    This project seems very promising. It could definitely use public trans. If there was light rail in this area and maybe a LIRR shuttle between Jamaica and/or Penn, this place would be an even hotter spot.

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    As part of the renovation project, I hope somebody increases the seating capacity to over 17,000 (the arena currently seats 16,234), puts in some luxury boxes, and redesigns the exterior of this Coliseum.

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    Supposedly, the N58 used to run to Hempstead. There you'd just transfer to the N70/N71/N72. With LRT perhaps there could be a line to Great Neck from the hub. After all, a lot of the LIMP ROW is still available for use

    Also, I'd still prefer if Glen Curtis Blvd extended through the site to Quentin Roosevelt Blvd like in the Suozzi plan

    Here's my plan:,73.828125&z=3
    Light green: Residential
    Dark green: Park
    Dark Blue: Office buildings
    Orange: College
    Red: Museum Row
    Brown: Marriott Hotel
    Baby Blue: Coliseum
    Purple: Arcade/Movie Theatre/other entertainment
    Pink: Stores/Shops with a canal running down the center
    Yellow: Industrial
    Yellow lines: new streets
    Black line: new railroad tracks

    Matter of opinion, perhaps they could have apartments geared towards students for NCC students. Many of them want to be out of their parents homes and would greatly appreciate a location close to campus. With the cost of transportation going up across the board, having a home within walking distance would be of great value to these students and would add to the vibrance and excitement of the community
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    Cool Ncd

    I'd like the CULTURAL ACADEMY here in NASSAU COUNTY.

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    Lightbulb A suburban plan for a suburban team

    In the Region | Long Island
    Differing ‘Visions’ for Nassau Coliseum Site
    Published: July 23, 2010

    Barton Silverman/The New York Times
    Edward P. Mangano, the Nassau County executive, called Hempstead’s proposals for the site near the coliseum “economically unviable.”

    Chester Higgins Jr./The New York Times
    Kate Murray, the town supervisor, said the plan is to keep the “suburban character.”

    IN unveiling smaller-scale plans earlier this month for the 77 acres surrounding the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Kate Murray, Hempstead’s town supervisor, cited a desire to keep the “suburban character of surrounding communities.”

    Describing her alternative as “on a scale we can all live with,” she said it was needed to “jump-start the stalled Lighthouse,” the $3.8 billion mixed-used plan championed by Charles Wang, the owner of the Islanders hockey team, and the developer Scott Rechler as a way to finance a makeover of the coliseum.

    The plan as proposed, Ms. Murray said, is “not workable” and dense enough to be a “mini city.”

    But the Nassau County executive, Edward P. Mangano, and the Lighthouse Development Group responded in a joint statement that although they had not yet reviewed the town’s “new vision” for the coliseum site, it appeared to be “economically unviable” for both the developer and the county, which owns the site.

    That in turn set off talk of the Islanders’ possibly relocating to Queens, or of a casino on the site by the Shinnecock Indian Nation of Southampton.

    “Our priority is keeping the Islanders in Nassau and moving forward with an economic development project that has the potential to create jobs and put people back to work,” Mr. Mangano said in a separate statement. Beverly Jensen, a spokeswoman for the Shinnecock, said recently that both Nassau and Suffolk Counties had approached the tribe about land for a casino.

    According to an April report in Newsday, Mr. Mangano described a casino on or near the Nassau Coliseum site as “a very viable alternative” and a way to fix the county’s budget shortfalls.

    Should a casino come to pass, it would not be subject to local zoning codes. “Hempstead would have no authority,” Ms. Murray said.

    Lance Gumbs, a senior trustee for the Shinnecock, said that the tribe had been “looking at all the land pieces that are available to us,” and that those who had approached them “understand the benefits” to the surrounding area “as far as improving the infrastructure and the amount of revenue to come into the locality.”

    He also said a casino would include “an entertainment facility, a convention center and a destination resort” as well as retail.

    Randy King, the chairman of the Shinnecock, added that the resort would be a family-friendly destination but “would only go in a community that wants it.”

    Finding a community may be a challenge. Stuart Rabinowitz, the president of Hofstra University, which is adjacent to the site, said that a casino would be “counterproductive to everything every college is trying to do” and that with 50,000 students in the area, there would be “tremendous opposition to a casino.”

    With a medical school set to open at Hofstra next year as well as a ramped-up School of Engineering and an emerging biotechnology hub, Mr. Rabinowitz said Hofstra had been an early cheerleader for the Lighthouse.

    “We see a need for office space near us, for workforce housing for the scholars and the students to live in,” he said.

    Calling the prospect of a casino “awful,” Mr. Rabinowitz added that “casinos are not the miracle drug that municipal economies pretend they are, and they clearly create negative impacts.” He also said scholars and researchers “would not be attracted to live and work in an area where there were busloads of New York City people coming to gamble.”

    Ms. Murray says her plan is “half the size and density” of the $3.8 billion mixed-use Lighthouse proposal but allows for many of the same features: convention facilities, hotels, retail, restaurants, offices and entertainment uses as well as renovating the Nassau Coliseum.

    With traffic a major stumbling block in this town of nearly 800,000 that is 98 percent developed, the plan also provides for traffic mitigation, streets with bike paths, pedestrian walkways and green building technologies. “We want to create a human-scale, walkable, workable development,” Ms. Murray said, that will “become a destination.”

    The town board will consider the new plan at a future public hearing.

    The Lighthouse project includes a hotel, a convention center and a refurbished coliseum; it calls for 8.8 million square feet of buildings with two 35-story towers. Town officials describe it as having a floor-area ratio of 4.0, although the Lighthouse Development Corporation puts the number at 1.75. (Floor-area ratio is a measure of density.)

    Ms. Murray’s plan allows for 5.4 million square feet of construction; she says it has a floor-area ration of 1.6 — a greater density than previously allowed in the town. The plan allows for a nine-story hotel, the same height as the Marriott nearby. Buildings for retail, office space and residential uses, as well as research and development, can be up to four stories.

    Pearl M. Kamer, the chief economist of the Long Island Association and formerly an economic consultant to the Lighthouse, said that “when you cut density on any project, you cut revenue.” Development, Ms. Kamer said, has to generate enough money to renovate the coliseum and make transportation improvements.

    Ms. Murray’s alternative “would certainly make it more difficult,” she said, and might even make it impossible.

    But Gary Hudes, a town councilman from East Meadow, said that residents wanted the project “scaled back where they could continue to enjoy the suburban lifestyle.” He added, “A plan like this gives residents that lifestyle.”

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    LOL!! from 30 story office towers to 4 story? What is Ms.Murray smoking?? She wants a "human scale,walkable,workable development" We already have that.....its called Manhattan island,NYC!!!!! The dumb suburbanites want to pour a city gallon into a suburban pint!! HA! I hope the Islanders DO go to Queens!

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    Exclamation Voter reject Coliseum deal

    NY official seeks new ideas for hockey arena site

    By FRANK ELTMAN, Associated Press
    1 hour, 50 minutes ago

    MINEOLA, N.Y. (AP)—A day after voters soundly defeated the idea of borrowing $400 million for a new arena, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman said Tuesday that the league would strive to keep the New York Islanders from leaving town when the team’s lease expires in 2015.

    Meanwhile, Nassau County officials announced plans to open the 77-acre parcel to any developer interested in proposing new ideas for the site.

    Voters, in a rare midsummer referendum, rejected a plan that would have replaced the 39-year-old coliseum, as well as develop a nearby minor league ballpark and possibly an indoor track and field facility. According to unofficial results from Monday’s vote, the referendum failed 57 percent to 43 percent.

    Nassau County residents pay some of the highest property taxes in the country, and although supporters of the referendum claimed tax increases would average $14 to $58 a year, most voters opted against spending public money to benefit the privately owned sports franchise.

    The county is currently under the thumb of a state-appointed fiscal watchdog after citing a budget deficit of more than $100 million earlier this year. In late June, 128 county workers were laid off in a budget-cutting measure.

    County Executive Edward Mangano backed the referendum as a way of keeping the hockey team from leaving as well as to spur economic development and job growth. He said he would welcome proposals from Islanders owner Charles Wang and anyone else.

    Wang, whose 2003 plan for a multibillion-dollar private development of the property foundered amid community opposition, was expected to issue a statement on Wednesday, a team spokeswoman said.

    After the vote Monday night, Wang said he was heartbroken but did not want to make any immediate pronouncements about the team’s future. He promised to honor the team’s lease through 2015.

    Bettman said in a statement Tuesday that the league would work with the Islanders “to explore whatever options still may be available in light of what obviously is not a positive development. Our goal is for the team to remain on Long Island and we still hope that objective can be realized.”

    Mangano said he wants to keep the hockey team in the county but was willing to listen to alternate ideas for the land.

    “I encourage all those with a plan to contact the county immediately,” he said. He set a deadline of Aug. 12 for developers to submit proposals but conceded he would extend the time period if necessary.

    The Association for a Better Long Island, a real estate group that opposed the referendum, issued a conciliatory statement after Mangano’s announcement.

    “He has appropriately challenged the private sector to present to him innovative ideas and options that achieve the strategic objective of a new coliseum and synergistic development,” said ABLI board member Vincent Polimeni. “We accept that challenge.”

    Because Wang has said he would have to consider his options for the team’s future should the referendum fail, some have speculated he could either sell the franchise or move to another city. The computer software mogul said last week he has lost nearly $240 million since buying the team 11 years ago.

    Some have suggested the team could move to the new basketball arena being built in Brooklyn. One Suffolk County politician lobbied Wang last week to consider moving to eastern Long Island.

    Veteran hockey broadcaster and writer Stan Fischler said Monday’s vote is not the final chapter in the Islanders’ story in Nassau County.

    “There are reasons to be optimistic about them staying,” Fischler told The Associated Press in a telephone interview, citing cities that said no to new arenas and stadiums only to get them later.

    “What happened last night is not going to be the Great Wall,” he said. “It’s an obstacle that they’ll surmount some way or other.”

    Despite having the lowest average attendance and finishing with the second fewest wins in the league last season, he predicted better results in the future.

    “The team is one of the most promising teams in the NHL. You can ask any hockey expert. They’ve got a young core,” he said. “It’s very easy to say they’re going to leave and go to Brooklyn or they’re going to leave and go to Flushing and Suffolk County. But this is a prime spot that they’re in now.”

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