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    From curbed:

    Chelsea Too Late to Fight 15th Street Condo-Hotel?
    Wednesday, July 23, 2008, by Joey


    31-35 West 15th Street, bound for condo-hotel glory. Photo via ProperyShark.



    When neighbors finally got wise to a planned Karl Fischer-designed hotel at 52-54 West 13th Street in the Village, it was too late to mount a meaningful resistance to the as-of-right project, and the property—and the bit of history it contained—was cleared. Now, just two blocks north, a similar situation is unfolding. A Curbed tipster sent along a memo sent to all residents at the Chelsea Lane co-op at 16 West 16th Street, trying to rally support against a 20-story condo-hotel project on 15th Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenues. According to this memo (seen in the gallery above), nearby Xavier High School had sold its air rights to a developer, and Community Board 5 had already approved the deal. CB5 tells us they indeed gave the transfer the go-ahead. The address of the proposed development is 31-35 West 15th Street (above), the site of a union hall. The project, according to a tipster, is as-of-right, so the Chelsea Lane may not get very far in this fight. A disapproved lot-combining permit in the DOB archives for the building lists experienced hotel designer Acheson Doyle Partners as the architect. Hey Chelsea, look at the bright side: at least it's not a new heap of Hot Karl.

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    Ironic... Chelsea Lane residents are opposing the destruction of a beautiful old building (and the construction of something likely far inferior that will be outdated in 10 years) for what seems like NIMBY reasons. Meanwhile, I would have loved to see the Chelsea Lane fall to make room for the Hot Karl-style garbage buildings, not its statelier neighbor. I suppose that would've caused NOMFH (not on my f***ing house) opposition.

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    Chelsea

    A Venerable School, and a Future Hotel

    Chester Higgins Jr./The New York Times
    Xavier High School, foreground, sold its air rights, and neighbors sued.

    By GREGORY BEYER
    Published: September 6, 2008

    THE buses returned last week to West 16th Street: back to school for the young men of Xavier High School, which has been between Fifth Avenue and Avenue of the Americas in Chelsea since 1850. As the students entered the school, the affiliated Church of St. Francis Xavier, a great stone scowl of a building, looked out at them and the nearby apartment buildings like a stern headmaster.

    But there may soon be a big change to the longstanding scene. The city has approved the sale of the school’s unused air rights to a developer who plans an adjacent hotel at 31 West 15th Street. It would rise at least 20 stories — much taller than the five- to six-story apartment buildings that cluster midblock on the local streets. But some neighbors of the school are unhappy with the scale of the hotel, and say they were not adequately notified about the project.

    “You want to shrug your shoulders and say, ‘How could it have gotten this far?’ ” said Risa Fisher, who lives with her husband and two children at 36 West 15th Street, across from the planned hotel site. The opponents’ objections are weighty ones, she added, centered on the neighborhood’s ability to sustain such a large project. “This is not about the view,” Ms. Fisher said.

    In June, the city’s Board of Standards and Appeals granted the transfer of the school’s air rights. Then, in July, Ms. Fisher and other members of the 15th and 16th Streets’ block association filed suit in State Supreme Court in Manhattan to overturn the ruling and have the transfer re-examined.

    These actions would require an environmental review of the project, which the hotel’s opponents think would show that the neighborhood cannot support the planned hotel and its deliveries and round-the-clock maintenance.

    Bud Perrone, a spokesman for the developer, Tishman Hotel and Realty, said the company would not comment because of the pending court case.

    The Rev. Daniel Gatti, the school’s president, declined to comment for the same reason. But Martin McLaughlin, a spokesman for the school, said, “Xavier’s involvement in this project is the sale of air rights, which will go toward its endowments and enable qualified students who can’t afford to pay the tuition” to attend.

    On Wednesday night, at a meeting of Community Board 5 to discuss the matter, one man denounced the hotel as “a behemoth on our streets.” Most of the 70 residents attending, though, were dismayed at how little notice they said they had had of the plan.

    John Gillis, the executive director of the New York/New Jersey Regional Joint Board of Unite Here, which represents low-wage workers in the restaurant, hotel and garment industries, had a different perspective on the dispute. The current building at 31 West 15th Street, which would be demolished to make way for the hotel, was the union’s hall for more than 75 years.

    “We were here when the new condo and co-ops were built,” Mr. Gillis said. “Some of our new neighbors did not like the sight and sound of our members having union meetings. It’s a little ironic that they are the ones making the noise now.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/ny...ml?ref=thecity

    Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

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    WTF? That building they're planning on demolishing for the hotel is beautiful.

    Why can't they gut it, redo the interior and put an addition to the top instead? Unimaginative morons.

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    With each passing day and more news of some old gem getting razed or senselessly recladded for some charmless glass box, I am beginning to think that making most of Manhattan a historic district isn't such a crazy idea.

    At least with a historic district, plans to demolish/reclad would have to go through a panel for review.

    Of course the exception would be empty lots, parking lots or those one-story taxpayers. Those should not require review and should be encouraged to be built upon first and foremost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianac View Post
    Chelsea

    A Venerable School, and a Future Hotel

    Chester Higgins Jr./The New York Times
    Xavier High School, foreground, sold its air rights, and neighbors sued.

    By GREGORY BEYER
    Published: September 6, 2008

    THE buses returned last week to West 16th Street: back to school for the young men of Xavier High School, which has been between Fifth Avenue and Avenue of the Americas in Chelsea since 1850. As the students entered the school, the affiliated Church of St. Francis Xavier, a great stone scowl of a building, looked out at them and the nearby apartment buildings like a stern headmaster.

    But there may soon be a big change to the longstanding scene. The city has approved the sale of the school’s unused air rights to a developer who plans an adjacent hotel at 31 West 15th Street. It would rise at least 20 stories — much taller than the five- to six-story apartment buildings that cluster midblock on the local streets. But some neighbors of the school are unhappy with the scale of the hotel, and say they were not adequately notified about the project.

    “You want to shrug your shoulders and say, ‘How could it have gotten this far?’ ” said Risa Fisher, who lives with her husband and two children at 36 West 15th Street, across from the planned hotel site. The opponents’ objections are weighty ones, she added, centered on the neighborhood’s ability to sustain such a large project. “This is not about the view,” Ms. Fisher said.

    In June, the city’s Board of Standards and Appeals granted the transfer of the school’s air rights. Then, in July, Ms. Fisher and other members of the 15th and 16th Streets’ block association filed suit in State Supreme Court in Manhattan to overturn the ruling and have the transfer re-examined.

    These actions would require an environmental review of the project, which the hotel’s opponents think would show that the neighborhood cannot support the planned hotel and its deliveries and round-the-clock maintenance.

    Bud Perrone, a spokesman for the developer, Tishman Hotel and Realty, said the company would not comment because of the pending court case.

    The Rev. Daniel Gatti, the school’s president, declined to comment for the same reason. But Martin McLaughlin, a spokesman for the school, said, “Xavier’s involvement in this project is the sale of air rights, which will go toward its endowments and enable qualified students who can’t afford to pay the tuition” to attend.

    On Wednesday night, at a meeting of Community Board 5 to discuss the matter, one man denounced the hotel as “a behemoth on our streets.” Most of the 70 residents attending, though, were dismayed at how little notice they said they had had of the plan.

    John Gillis, the executive director of the New York/New Jersey Regional Joint Board of Unite Here, which represents low-wage workers in the restaurant, hotel and garment industries, had a different perspective on the dispute. The current building at 31 West 15th Street, which would be demolished to make way for the hotel, was the union’s hall for more than 75 years.

    “We were here when the new condo and co-ops were built,” Mr. Gillis said. “Some of our new neighbors did not like the sight and sound of our members having union meetings. It’s a little ironic that they are the ones making the noise now.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/ny...ml?ref=thecity

    Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company
    This project will need a thread soon. At 300 feet, it'll tower over the area. Still sad about the building that was torn down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
    WTF? That building they're planning on demolishing for the hotel is beautiful.

    Why can't they gut it, redo the interior and put an addition to the top instead? Unimaginative morons.
    I agree. This is BS.

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    I'm glad one our cookie cutter developers and architects decided to build something non cookie-cutter for a change.
    It would've been better if they kept the facade of the beautiful old school building.




    Cool website. The building is called 35XV. As I stated years ago, this building will be fairly visible from many angles. Perhaps this building needs its own thread?
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    I was disappointed when the old school was razed, but at least the replace ment is really nice.

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    Well that's frickin awesome.

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    Split off new thread - moved posts.

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    An exposed floor plate and cinder block facade: so far - no good. No doubt there are some innovative decorative 'finishing' to be done on that facade. I hope they are not going to try to pull-off the 'raw-unfinished-edgy' look at seen on the standard hotel and a few other buildings lately; it just ends up looking 'raw-unfinshed' and "ugly". LOL

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    I haven't seen the crane move/do anything on this in months. I wonder when construction on the tower portion will actually start.

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    This looks to me to be a situation where 'on-site' construction phase caught up with 'on-the-boards' phase of design development or contract documents. This is something that is A common uccuranc when the "fast-track" project delivery method is used, as opposed to design/bid/build, and needless to say it is often anything but "fast". Lol

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