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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris
    According to several people involved in the negotiations, the project's developer, A. & R. Kalimian Realty, ultimately decided that an opera house was too complex and that including it could delay the development for years. The hall would have required an extensive public approval process, something the developers can avoid by building the tower under existing codes, or "as of right."
    Bureaucracy, again. There's got to be a way of cutting through the red tape by tailoring the review process to the specific instance. This is an opera company, for goodness' sake, not a methadone clinic.

    It's not like any substantive improvement would emerge from the public approval process in a case like this, anyway. Certainly not enough of an improvement to risk the death of the subject --which has occurred. To illustrate: the public approval process presumably approved the silly Diller and Scofidio redesign of Lincoln Center.

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    New York Tragedy: Doomed De Portzamparc Plans for City Opera
    By James S. Russell

    Oct. 19 (Bloomberg) -- In the home designed by Christian de Portzamparc for New York City Opera, a great curving shell in bright red would wrap itself around the audience as everyone ascends an escalator to their seats.

    De Portzamparc, 62, created a design that offers many sublime moments, one that orchestrates audience movement with the kind of balletic theatricality not seen since the Opera Garnier opened in 1874 -- in Paris, where de Portzamparc is based.

    But de Portzamparc's vision is not to be, even though the opera company has been trapped for more than four decades in Lincoln Center's architecturally lugubrious and acoustically hopeless New York State Theater. City Opera announced in May that it would not proceed, even as it continued working with de Portzamparc until August.

    Architecture alone can't save a struggling live-performance art form, but it can powerfully convey the drama and delight that can be found on stage. De Portzamparc's design, never publicly unveiled, suggests just how exciting this lost opportunity might have been.

    The hall was to have been built diagonally across from the northwestern corner of Lincoln Center. A & R Kalimian, an apartment developer, bought the site from the American Red Cross for $72 million in 2004. De Portzamparc's task was made considerably more complex because the site had to accommodate both the opera house and a large Kalimian residential tower. The tower would have helped to defray the new building's costs -- probably around $400 million.

    Viscous Lobby

    Designing from the inside out, De Portzamparc shaped the lobby spaces as if from thick, viscous liquid, flowing the movement of the audience in sensuous curves. The floors warp up to mold themselves around elevators, stairs, coatrooms and other essentials. Viewers would pass from womblike enclosures to grand spaces that spiral up to mysterious heights.

    The elaborate lobby wrapped a pitcherlike shape hung from the roof that would contain the auditorium. It had to hang because loading areas and set-preparation spaces (both of which are woefully inadequate at the State Theater) had to squeeze under the stage, bringing the lowest level of the auditorium 40 feet above the street.

    De Portzamparc packaged the building in a very simple box, placing it right up against the street, where it could assert its presence. He allows the taffy-pull shapes inside to collide with -- and trace their shapes on -- the exterior, so that a merry alternation of glass and solid panels covers the box with Jean Arp abandon.

    A Hardy Hall

    The architect was not entrusted with the design of the auditorium itself, even though he has major halls under his belt in Paris -- and, most recently, the Luxembourg Philharmonic, which opened in 2005.

    City Opera chose Hugh Hardy, architect of the well-liked 1987 Alice Busch Opera Theater of the Glimmerglass Opera in Cooperstown, New York. The boldly decorative sensibility of Hardy (of H3 collaborative in New York) would seem an uneasy match with de Portzamparc's slinky bravura, but the work of meshing the designs of hall and the building never began.

    In a telephone interview, Hardy said he had configured the auditorium with small, curved terraces that would overlap for intimate views of the stage without resorting to huge balconies. At somewhere between 1,800 and 2,000 seats, the house would have been enticingly more intimate than the State Theater (2,800) or the mammoth Met (4,000).

    Smart Stacked Towers

    Plopping big towers atop important cultural facilities is a marriage that almost never works, but de Portzamparc's design addressed this knotty problem adroitly by stacking the rental apartments in a long slab at the rear of the lot. It rises on narrow pylons to leave air around the opera house, then gently thickens into angled facets and deep recesses so that it looks like three slim towers rather than a formidable block-long wall. The apartments would ascend in steps to about 60 stories.

    De Portzamparc didn't solve all the problems that such large-scale development would create. The tower would throw enormous shadows east and west.

    It is something of a wonder that de Portzamparc untangled such extraordinary complexities to the degree he did. The project foundered, participants say, because it was too difficult to allocate the costs of the opera house and the residential tower. Even if Kalimian and City Opera had been able to cut their deal, construction intricacies, and the number of parties that had to agree, would give anyone pause.

    City Opera says it's still discussing a new home, but the task looks ever more formidable. The de Portzamparc effort makes it all too clear just what New York City is missing, and why the self-proclaimed world capital of culture has so much trouble nurturing it.

    (James S. Russell is Bloomberg's U.S. architecture critic. The opinions expressed are his own.)

    To contact the writer of this story: James S. Russell at jamesrussell@earthlink.net

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    How sad. I assumed that it would be housed at the base of a POS box designed by Costas and therefore, didn't lose sleep when the project was cancelled. Now I realize that we lost a potentially awesome project.

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    The building looks nice.

    What would wearing a baseball cap indoors at the socially third-tier New York City Opera in the New York State Theatre say about my fashion sensibility?

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    Just be sure to take it off ^^^ before the curtain goes up

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    Although City Opera is out of the picture, does anyone know what's going on with this site?

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    What ashame.
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    ^ That is beautiful.

    (wouldn't this have been nice at the new world trade center...)
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    Boy, I don't think I've seen a De Portzamparc design that I haven't liked. He's the antithesis of Gene Kaufman.

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    I wonder if the tower will be built despite the lack of the opera house. There's really no need to abandon that design since the opera house base could be used for retail or something else. Personally, while I love the tower, I find the opera house proposal mundane.
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    Wow that is wonderful design. Ok excuse me while I go and cry this out.

    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer View Post
    I wonder if the tower will be built despite the lack of the opera house. There's really no need to abandon that design since the opera house base could be used for retail or something else. Personally, while I love the tower, I find the opera house proposal mundane.
    Well something like that might get built. But I doubt it. So much dissapointment these days. But if it did, it won't be that tall. I think the air rights of that Opera will have helped to make it look like that.

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    Default Wooza.... design just screams NYC!!!

    De Portzamparc's design is quintissential NY. It "IS" modern NYC... in every sense of the word... a new Guggenheim. An amazingly brillant solution for both the tower and the opera building on a difficult site.

    NYC Opera and Kalimian should contact ESDC (Empire State Development Corp), Bloomberg, Vornado, Related, Equity Office, Sherwood Equity, Extell, and other prominent NYC developers and ask for help in making this happen!!! Bloomberg should exempt the "public approval process" and approve the project "as is"

    Anyone here on the forum who has contacts with NYC Opera and Kalimian to suggest the idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by krulltime View Post
    Wow that is wonderful design. Ok excuse me while I go and cry this out.



    Well something like that might get built. But I doubt it. So much dissapointment these days. But if it did, it won't be that tall. I think the air rights of that Opera will have helped to make it look like that.
    These buildings, while beautiful, don't appear to be more than 40 stories. The Red Cross site is huge. I would have thought that it had at least 40 stories of air rights.

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    ^ I though I read that in this upper west side area, the regular zoning alllows for a building to go up to 30 stories max. So if it is just getting the air rights of the same lot, woudn't they need to buy additional air rights from adjacent buildings though to go even higher? I get confuse about these things. Maybe somebody else knows better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    New York Tragedy: Doomed De Portzamparc Plans for City Opera

    Smart Stacked Towers

    Plopping big towers atop important cultural facilities is a marriage that almost never works, but de Portzamparc's design addressed this knotty problem adroitly by stacking the rental apartments in a long slab at the rear of the lot. It rises on narrow pylons to leave air around the opera house, then gently thickens into angled facets and deep recesses so that it looks like three slim towers rather than a formidable block-long wall. The apartments would ascend in steps to about 60 stories.

    De Portzamparc didn't solve all the problems that such large-scale
    Well here it says it can go up to 60 floors.

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