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    December 14, 2004

    Birds' Nest Will Be Saved, if Co-op Architect Says Yes

    By THOMAS J. LUECK

    A baronial Fifth Avenue co-op building at the center of an uproar over its destruction of a red-tailed hawks' nest last week agreed yesterday to try to help the hawks rebuild in the same spot overlooking Central Park - if an architect approves.

    "We had a very constructive meeting," said John Flicker, president of the National Audubon Society, who, along with three Audubon colleagues and city and state officials, met for 90 minutes with the president of the co-op's board, its management agent and a building engineer.

    "It's a much better situation today than it was yesterday," said Mary Tyler Moore, a resident of the co-op, at 927 Fifth Avenue, who has joined bird lovers and naturalists from across the nation in protesting the hawks' eviction.

    Still, the negotiations yesterday, part of which took place on the roof of the 74th Street co-op as the most famous of the Fifth Avenue hawks, Pale Male, circled overhead, provided only a first step toward ending a conflict that some say requires speedy resolution.

    "Good progress doesn't sound good enough to me," said Marie Winn, a Manhattan author whose 1998 book on Pale Male and his offspring was the basis of a public television documentary. (Channel 13 in Manhattan said yesterday that it had scheduled a rebroadcast of the film tonight at 8.)

    Ms. Winn was among more than 100 protesters who gathered opposite the co-op building yesterday afternoon, as they have for days - chanting, encouraging drivers to honk their horns and creating a ruckus rarely seen along one of Manhattan's most elegant residential streets.

    "I have suspected all along that what the co-op wants is to stall just long enough so the hawks will leave," she said. "And that could happen any day."

    The saga of Pale Male and his mate, Lola, who have fed happily on pigeons and rats in Central Park, reproduced prodigiously from their roost above a 12th-story cornice, and ultimately captivated the attention of much of the city, came amid unavoidable questions of what the hawks themselves will choose to do.

    "We haven't been able to talk to the hawks, and they may have their own plans," said Adrian Benepe, the city's commissioner of parks, who attended the meeting yesterday at 927 Fifth Avenue. Nonetheless, he said the negotiations had yielded "good progress from the point of view that the building really isn't legally obligated to do anything."

    Besides Ms. Moore, residents of the co-op include the newscaster Paula Zahn, whose husband, Richard Cohen, is president of the board; Bruce Wasserstein, the Wall Street dealmaker; and several other executives at the highest levels of finance.

    Before the hawks' nest was taken down last Tuesday, some residents had complained that the birds left the bloody carcasses of their prey on the roof and sidewalk, and their nest created a safety hazard as parts of it fell to the sidewalk, threatening pedestrians.

    The nest was built in 1993 by Pale Male, who foraged twigs and small branches from Central Park and assembled them on a network of metal spikes that had been placed on the 12th-floor cornice to discourage pigeons. The spikes, which were also removed last week, had the unintended effect of holding a red-tailed hawk nest measuring eight feet across in place for a decade.

    Mr. Flicker said a central question addressed at the meeting yesterday was whether the spikes would be restored so Pale Male and Lola could rebuild in the same place, or whether a new platform or box would be constructed and provide a sturdy base for a new nest on the co-op's roof.

    The Audubon Society officials insisted that the spikes be restored, and that anything else would be inadequate. Their position on the arcane question of how to provide a safe habitat for red-tailed hawks at the center of large city was buttressed by experts.

    The neoclassical 12th-floor cornice adopted by Pale Male, despite its ornate acanthus leaf detailing, made it "a classic red-tail cliff site," which resembled the hawks' habitat in the Western states and was far more attractive than tree limbs or a wood platform, said John A. Blakeman, an Ohio biologist who has researched the habitats of hawks and falcons.

    "They will absolutely reject a box," he said.

    According to Mr. Benepe and Mr. Flicker, Mr. Cohen seemed agreeable to returning the metal spikes to the cornice. They said participants in the meeting saw clearly that the hawks were trying to rebuild, since they had left several twigs and branches on the cornice, even though the foraged material would be blown away in a strong wind.

    But they said Mr. Cohen insisted on consulting the co-op's architect before making any commitment. No deadline was set, and no follow-up meeting was scheduled.

    "This needs to be done promptly," Mr. Flicker said. "The longer you wait, the longer the risk to the birds."

    "We wanted them to say the spikes will go up," Mr. Flicker said, adding that he hoped hear the co-op's decision in the matter today.

    Yesterday, Pale Male and Lola were a clear presence over the east side of Central Park, circling above the co-op and the park's picturesque model-boat pond and, in Lola's case, casually devouring a pigeon on a tree limb as dozens of bird enthusiasts looked on.

    Ms. Moore, who has shed the retinue of agents, public relations specialists and others who normally surround celebrities in proclaiming her support for the hawks, emerged from 927 Fifth Avenue to answer questions from reporters.

    "I just want to make sure that they take into consideration what the birds' instincts are going to be," she said.

    "I don't object to anything," Ms. Moore added. "I don't care if they hang a nest from my living room window, that's fine."

    "I just want those hawks to be back in their natural habitat and be peaceful."

    Janon Fisher contributed reporting for this article.


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    December 15, 2004

    Co-op to Help Hawks Rebuild, but the Street Is Still Restless

    By THOMAS J. LUECK

    A week after it removed a red-tailed hawk's nest from its facade and was met by a storm of protest, a Fifth Avenue co-op building agreed yesterday to requests by the Audubon Society to help the hawks rebuild.

    But the agreement came on a day of heightened tension outside 927 Fifth Avenue, the sumptuous co-op where the hawks have roosted on a perch overlooking Central Park for 11 years. The co-op is also home to some of the biggest names in New York society.

    With negotiations taking place inside, those protesting the removal of the nest continued their vigil across Fifth Avenue in Central Park. One of them, Lincoln Karim, an engineer, was arrested on charges of aggravated harassment, stalking and endangering the welfare of a child.

    Mr. Karim, who was being held last night at the 19th Precinct station house, was accused of approaching the television newscaster Paula Zahn and her family, who live in the building, on several occasions, the police said. At one point he told Ms. Zahn's 7-year-old son, "Your parents are going to pay for this," according to law enforcement officials with knowledge of the case. Officials said that encounter occurred on Monday outside the building as the boy and his nanny were walking his dog.

    The arrest of Mr. Karim prompted a swift response by another of the co-op's many celebrity residents, Mary Tyler Moore, who has publicly allied herself with the protesters. Soon after Mr. Karim was approached by four detectives and driven away, Ms. Moore and her husband, the Manhattan cardiologist Robert Levine, hailed a cab and drove to the 19th Precinct station house to assist Mr. Karim, although they were not aware of the charges against him, according to Marie Winn, a Manhattan writer, bird watcher and friend of Ms. Moore's who joined in the cab ride. Mr. Karim runs a Web site for bird lovers, www.palemale.com , named for the male hawk.

    "Mary Tyler Moore was magnificent," Ms. Winn said. When she was unable to speak with Mr. Karim and determine the charges against him, Ms. Moore returned to speak to a group of about 40 protesters who remained opposite 927 Fifth Avenue.

    She was greeted by loud applause, and thanked her fellow demonstrators. "That applause is the best applause I have received in my life," Ms. Moore said, according to two people who were present.

    The agreement forged by Audubon Society and co-op officials centered on a strategy to allow the hawks, Pale Male and Lola, to rebuild their nest in the same spot on a 12th-floor cornice. The co-op, led by Richard Cohen, its board president and Ms. Zahn's husband, had sought to steer the hawks to another location on the building by providing a platform or box, but agreed yesterday that "the hawks will return to the same spot," Mr. Cohen said in an interview.

    The co-op was clearly under pressure to compromise. Another of its well-known shareholders, Bruce Wasserstein, the Wall Street deal maker, tried in recent days to persuade Mr. Cohen to settle, according to someone close to the family who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    Within days, said Mr. Cohen and John Flicker, president of the National Audubon Society, a network of steel spikes are to be erected on top of the hawks' 12th-floor cornice. The spikes are meant to duplicate others that were installed to discourage pigeons but served as an anchor for the nest until they were removed.

    Audubon officials agreed to a plan by the co-op's architect to surround the spikes with some form of protective rail that would prevent the sticks and small branches used for nest building from falling to the sidewalk. Co-op officials said they had removed the nest after some residents complained about the carcasses of pigeons that the hawks dropped onto the sidewalk after devouring.

    Mr. Cohen said the design of the rail must be approved by the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission, since the co-op is in a landmark district. But he said he expected landmarks approval to come quickly, and Robert B. Tierney, the commission's chairman, said Monday that the approval could come within hours after an application was filed.

    By engaging an architect, the co-op can "create a secure and stable environment that should enable the birds to return to their home of more than a decade," Mr. Flicker said in a statement.

    "I think we have a great deal," said E. J. McAdams, executive director of New York City Audubon, the local chapter of the Audubon Society.

    Mr. Cohen said the plan was meant to carry the hawks through their mating season, which begins in January and, if successful, will culminate when Lola lays eggs in March. After that, he said, other measures may be considered to make the nest less of a nuisance, but without removing it or moving it elsewhere.

    Howard O. Stier, Michael Wilson and Jennifer 8. Lee contributed reporting for this article.

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    An architect-designed hawks nest? Another "only in New York" nod of the head. Now, will the hawks on their own find a better deal nearby? Better check Corcoran's new listings: Love nest w/ park vu.

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    December 19, 2004

    WORD FOR WORD | 'BIG BIRD'

    A New Pecking Order on Fifth Avenue

    By PETER EDIDIN


    In happier days, Lola returns to the nest, and to a hungry gosling, under the watchful eye of Pale Male, right.

    NEW York has its first celebrity bird. Not a mere curiosity, like the dancing chicken in Chinatown, but a player.

    Pale Male, the red-tailed hawk resident since 1993 on a 12th-floor perch at 927 Fifth Avenue, overlooking Central Park, clearly meets the criteria. Not only have he, his mate, Lola, and their offspring (23 and counting) been the subjects of books, documentaries and pilgrimages by thousands of rapturous fans, but he has the political clout to face down some of the city's best-connected inhabitants.

    On Dec. 7, the co-op board of Pale Male's building had his nest removed, provoking instant outrage from individuals and groups around the city, country and even internationally.

    Soon, sign-waving demonstrators were camped out in front of the elegant building, and while Pale Male soared serenely above the fray, the co-op board sued for peace. Last week, it agreed to let the bird rebuild his nest.

    New York Civic, a public interest group founded by Henry Stern, a former New York City Parks Commissioner, collected the e-mails it received on the controversy on its Web site ( www.nycivic.org ). They show passion, wit, some nuttiness and even a willingness to examine both sides of the question. Excerpts follow.



    If Fifth Avenue doesn't want them, we would love to have them on S.I. [Staten Island]. Our pigeons are just as tasty and not as pricey. We might have more dirt underneath our fingernails, but our noses aren't pointed skyward. We tend to speak quickly and lose our "R's" in the process, but we talk forthrightly and never refer to each other as "lovey" or "darling."

    Anonymous

    No one mentions the homeless homo sapiens here very much anymore.

    L.D.

    The board and residents of 927 Fifth Avenue, M.T.M. excepted [Mary Tyler Moore, who lives in the building], have shown the world what pathetic specimens of the human race they are, and have demonstrated once again the continuing decline of Western civilization in all their wanton disregard for nature and the wonderful planet that has made their small lives possible.

    C.R.

    Thank you for supporting the hawks! Ms. Winters, the owner of the apartment where the birds nest, should be evicted from NYC. How dark is her heart? Goes to show, money can buy you everything, but not class! And Paula Zahn [who lives in the building], I will never watch her ever again! May she move to North Dakota and stay there!!!

    F.W.

    Disgusting, outrageous, and infuriating. I'm almost at a loss for words.

    R.B.

    Let's imagine that Mrs. Gotrocks on the 12th floor of that building spills some oil while preparing her dinner (O.K., she's rich, so her cook/maid/whatever does it), and it catches fire. The Fire Department responds, and while the brave firefighter ascends the ladder to rescue Mrs. Gotrocks (or the cook/maid/whatever), he/she is attacked by a hawk, falls from the ladder and dies. Can your imagination foresee the negligence claims against the co-op? They harbored wild animals!! Dangerous wild animals!! They allowed the dangerous situation to exist for 11 years!! You can even remove some of the sensationalism by substituting a lowly window washer for the brave firefighter (or add to it by making it a child leaning out the window to look at the hawks, or increase it further by making it the child of the cook/maid/whatever), but the lawyer's claims probably wouldn't change. And this is NOT an unlikely scenario!

    Anonymous

    So the residents of Fifth Avenue find their eating habits offensive? Just because your meat comes in a boneless filet doesn't mean there is no carcass. Letting some minimum-wage worker do your dirty work does not separate you from the rest of the carnivores.

    Anonymous

    Let's make this a cause, and DRIVE THEM NUTS.

    V.J.

    By the way, the best news - pigeon problems for the rich at 927 will increase because they removed the spikes and the natural controls. Ha!

    B.F.

    The answer is simple. Like all true pioneers, it's time for these hawks to go west. Over here on West 71st Street, we would welcome them to the neighborhood. Nobody more famous than they lives in our humble building, and we would be honored to work out a suitable roofline penthouse.

    T.C.

    This public keening over two birds is ludicrously disproportionate to any reasonable aesthetic or moral valuation - and property rights are moral, too. Worry about Islamic terror, Social Security solvency, U.N. corruption, the appalling state of our schools, wasting a billion dollars on an in-town stadium and the insufferable arrogance in Albany (compared to which NYC co-op boards are models of modesty). Fear not: Sooner or later some co-op board will do something really awful, but not this time.

    J.C.W.

    As neighbors, living half a block away from the nest of Pale Male and Lola, we have been out picketing on the street every day and have sent letters to each resident of the building. The arrogance and total lack of concern of these extraordinarily privileged people is symptomatic of the way many liberals ... only care for what is not in their backyard. If an environmental situation develops some place else, they are the first to show concern for an endangered tree toad in Arizona. They think nothing of blocking a dam or highway project, but let a pair of hawks nest in their building that give the citizens of New York genuine pleasure, they turn deaf ears to what has become a national outcry.

    B.G.

    The Pale Male episode just proves the truth of the old adage: Money can't buy class.

    A.D.F.

    Any New Yorker who helps reduced the pigeon population, free of charge, and in an environmentally responsible way, deserves to build a home on Fifth Avenue.

    D.M.

    My T.R.-style tree-hugging credentials earn me the regular spite of my more conservative fellow Republicans. But in this case, Mr. and Mrs. Male have a tremendous monument to nature (and to man's reverence for it) available to them in Central Park. Can't they simply move across the street?

    I don't doubt that some of the human residents of 927 are vile, wealthy cretins, but I don't particularly begrudge them for asking Mr. and Mrs. Male to cross the avenue.

    J.F.

    Like all issues - I understand there are two points of view - an EIGHT-FOOT NEST! That's bigger than some studio apartments - perhaps the hawk should have been charged maintenance by the co-op - he could earn it from the film rights, etc.

    J.D.

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    December 22, 2004

    New Aerie Is Readied for Fifth Avenue Hawks

    By THOMAS J. LUECK

    A stainless steel cradle designed to support a new nest for Pale Male and Lola, the red-tailed hawks of Fifth Avenue, is to be installed tomorrow on the co-op building where the hawks' former nest was removed on Dec. 7, according to the co-op's board and architect.

    Naturalists and city officials yesterday praised the architect's design, and the co-op's timing, saying the cradle could resolve a dispute that has captivated bird lovers across the nation, while providing Pale Male and Lola with a safe roost from which to hatch fledglings next year.

    "It perfectly melds our concerns for Pale Male with the concerns of the building," said E. J. McAdams, the executive director of New York City Audubon, who joined the architect, Dan Ionescu, on a visit to a Long Island machine shop where the framework was nearing completion late yesterday.

    "We are all looking for Pale Male to come home for the holidays," Mr. McAdams said.

    The new structure will incorporate steel pigeon spikes that were removed with the old nest when it was hauled down from a 12th floor cornice of the building, which is at 927 Fifth Avenue and overlooks Central Park at 74th Street. The spikes had prevented the hawks' nest, which grew over a decade to a width of eight feet across and to 400 pounds, from blowing away.

    But the cradle also includes a guard rail and platform to prevent sticks and branches from falling to the sidewalk, a hazard posed by the old nest, according to some residents.

    Mr. Ionescu, whose Manhattan firm was assisted by Beyer Blinder Belle, the architectural firm responsible for restoration projects at Ellis Island and Grand Central Terminal, said he and his staff had been working almost without interruption since last Friday.

    "We had to make sure the end result would be a cradle where Pale Male would rebuild a nest, and that would assure the integrity of a landmark," he said. The city's Landmarks Preservation Commission has already approved the design.

    Mr. Ionescu said Audubon officials and naturalists had insisted that the protective guard rails not prevent Pale Male and Lola from fully extending their wings, which in Pale Male's case are more than four feet from tip to tip. That is why the rails will be contoured along the arch of the 12th-floor cornice.

    Adrian Benepe, the city's parks commissioner, also remarked on the timing of the installation.

    "I've been referring to it as a crèche," Mr. Benepe said.

    But there is no assurance that Pale and Lola will immediately adopt the cradle as a new home, Mr. McAdams said.

    Nonetheless, both hawks have been sighted flying over Central Park, and they show no inclination to go away. Mr. McAdams said they would have plenty of time to rebuild before their annual courtship rituals, usually in February. Lola typically lays her eggs in early March.

    "We think the timing is perfect," Mr. McAdams said.

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    December 22, 2004

    A Happy Tale for the Birds: Wings Wide, Pierre Is Free

    By COREY KILGANNON


    Christopher A. Nadareski released a red-tailed hawk, named Pierre by his rescuers, Tuesday.

    Not every red-tailed hawk is a celebrity.

    Sure, there was quite an uproar in recent weeks when Pale Male and Lola, the beloved residents of a cornice on a luxury Fifth Avenue co-op building on the Upper East Side, were evicted.

    But scant attention was paid last week when, about 100 blocks downtown at a decidedly less elegant location - above the chilly waters of the East River - a young red-tailed hawk was apparently attacked by a flock of seagulls and nearly drowned.

    The hawk was rescued by police officers with the department's scuba team and taken to a Manhattan animal hospital, officials said. The officers named the bird Pierre because it was rescued near Pier 11.

    A news conference was held yesterday morning in Forest Park, Queens, where the hawk was released back into the wild. Officers Charles Schnetzer, 29, and James Conroy, 40, both from Queens, were there to describe the rescue.

    Around noon on Dec. 14, a group of seagulls attacked Pierre, leaving him fighting for his life in the river, the police said. He was spotted flapping in the water by officers patrolling the river by boat.

    "We saw an odd-colored object in the water," Officer Schnetzer said. "We're used to seeing geese and seagulls, but this didn't look anything like that. I've never seen a hawk in the water. I didn't know about hawks until the whole Pale Male thing. Its wings were outstretched and it was flapping, trying to get out."

    Officer Conroy added, "Someone came out of a building and said the bird was being attacked by the seagulls."

    Several officers lowered an inflatable motorboat and used it to approach the hawk and throw a blanket over him to scoop him out of the water.

    The hawk would probably have drowned if not rescued, said Christopher A. Nadareski, a research scientist for the city's Department of Environmental Protection, who was also at yesterday's ceremony.

    "The gulls were either trying to get his food or just anxious because the hawk was in their territory," he said. "It was lucky the right people were nearby at the right time." Pierre was kept for a week of examination, he said.

    "No obvious injuries were found," he said. "It was probably just in shock."

    Mr. Nadareski said Pierre could not be released in the same area he was rescued because of the danger from the many Peregrine falcons that nest and roost on the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges.

    "With a young, inexperienced bird like this, there is a high probability it would have been attacked almost immediately," he said.

    Forest Park was chosen because "we have 543 acres in the park and it's the largest stand of woodland in Queens," said Dorothy Lewandowski, the Queens borough park commissioner.

    "We're hoping he stays in Queens," Ms. Lewandowski added.

    Mr. Nadareski said he is an adviser to the architects hired by the East Side co-op building where Pale Male and Lola lived to design a support for a new nest for the two birds. (After the protests and media attention, the building's board met and decided to allow the hawks a chance to return and rebuild a nest there.)

    Yesterday, Mr. Nadareski carried Pierre in a case with its air vents mostly closed off with duct tape so that the nervous hawk would not be ruffled by the camera crews, photographers and reporters hustling alongside of it.

    "It's a stressful day," Mr. Nadareski said, as he carried the case to a snowy infield in the park, with a dozen cameras trained on him. "Not for me, for the bird."

    Pierre was taken out of the case and Mr. Nadareski held him up and explained that the eyes and feathers indicated that he was probably hatched around April. He said he could not tell if the hawk was from New York City or would remain here, or even if it could be an offspring of Pale Male and Lola, for that matter.

    He held the hawk up and said, "Sometimes they fall right back on the ground, but our hope is that he'll take off."

    To help the photographers time their shots, he chanted "Three, two, one," and heaved Pierre toward the cold winter sky.

    The hawk fluttered momentarily and then, revealing its majestic four-foot wingspan, flew off, dipping at first perilously low to the ground and then ascending high to a limb of a nearby tree.

    Shutters snapped, shouts went up and a city official observed, "It's a big time for hawks in New York."

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    "It's a big time for Hawks in New York!" Hurray for Pierre!

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    December 29, 2004

    Hawks Inspect Renovation

    By JENNIFER 8. LEE


    Pale Male at 927 Fifth Avenue at 74th Street in Manhattan.

    Three weeks after they were evicted from their home of 11 years on Fifth Avenue, two famed red-tailed hawks returned to their old perch above Central Park yesterday to survey the elegant stainless steel structure that was installed so that they might rebuild their nest.

    The hawks, Pale Male and Lola, who attracted worldwide attention during their tussle with the co-op board at 927 Fifth Avenue, both landed at least twice on the arched 12th-floor cornice - much to the delight of fervent bird-watchers.

    While the lacy metal cradle was installed last Thursday, the scaffolding that was used to put it in place remained, blocking the hawks from landing. The scaffolding was not removed until about 10:30 yesterday morning.

    About 45 minutes later, Pale Male and Lola arrived and stayed between 5 and 10 minutes, said Frederic Lilien, a Belgian cinematographer who flew in after hearing about the controversy and now goes to Central Park daily to observe Pale Male and Lola.

    "You could really see they were checking it out," said Mr. Lilien, who produced an hourlong documentary on Pale Male.

    The birds left but returned hours later: first Lola by herself. Then Pale Male by himself.

    "It was like a belated Christmas gift," said Amanda Tree, a Brooklyn actress and singer-songwriter who had waited, bundled up with wool hat and rainbow scarf, since 9 a.m. to see the hawks. "You couldn't imagine receiving anything nicer. It makes me happier than my first Barbie doll."

    It remains to be seen if the hawks will rebuild their nest - which had stretched to eight feet wide. They have several weeks to rebuild before Lola is ready to lay her eggs, typically at the beginning of March.

    A handful of twigs were tossed into the new cradle when it was installed. Pale Male and Lola seem attached to the spot and have also tried to take twigs to the cornice after the nest was removed. But because the three-inch pigeon spikes that anchored the twigs had also been removed, their efforts were unavailing. The pigeon spikes had been stored in the basement and were later reinstalled with the cradle.

    The public battle over the hawks began when Richard Cohen, the chairman of the co-op board and the husband of Paula Zahn, decided to remove the nest, citing safety and privacy concerns. The eviction ignited a worldwide furor, including protests from two of the building's most prominent residents: Mary Tyler Moore and Bruce Wasserstein, the Wall Street magnate. Daily demonstrations spurred the co-op board to negotiate with environmental advocates, landmark preservationists and government officials, leading to the decision to install a cradle.

    Raffael Juth, the project manager with Dan Ionescu Architects who oversaw the installation, said yesterday that the firm was pleased with the hawks' return. "It's very exciting because there was a lot of pressure on us," he said. "We felt like we came through with everyone else involved."

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    Any more updates on this? Did they start rebuilding their nest?

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    Yes, the Love Nest is back. New link for Pale Male website

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    Geez.

    You know the one thing that confused me about this the most?

    The fact that I never really saw anyone propose to construct a more appropriate nesting site for these birds.

    I mean, seriously. You want to make sure you do not get pidgeon carcasses on your windowsill, build a big, elevated, sheltered birds nest/house/roost on your roof for them. Find out what made them like the original place and try to copy it instead of just getting rid of it.

    If these guys can spend $20K plus on a frigging bathtub, you think they would not be so cheap when it comes to things like this.

    And on the other side, it is amazing how many people protested the people doing this w/o even suggesting any alternate.

    We have become WAY to Us vs. Them.

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    Ninjahead, I'm confused. Did you read the posts immediately preceding yours? The dots don't connect.

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    I'm confused as well. In post #19 above in the photo caption a baby hawk is referred to as a gosling when the proper term is an eyas. (A gosling is an offspring of geese.) http://www.marriedadults.com/animals/

    Ninjahedge, how can you twist this into anything other than a heartwarming story? Geez.

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    Plainly put is this.

    They put a metal cage up right where the old one was.

    I may have missed the part about putting in some sort of catcher for the carcasses, but I do not think that was totally what the metal framing was for.


    In the beginning, what advocates AND detractors should have been fighting for was a SOLUTION to the "problem". Not "Get rid of them" and a bunch of people yelling "put them back".



    What they should have done is built an elevated platform on the roof that would be acceptable for these birds.

    Any carcasses would not fall to the windowsills, stoops or any other visible areas, and the birds would still work as natural "deterrants" to the burgeoning pidgeon population.

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