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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    Mr. Ross, who is developing the Gateway mall project in the South Bronx, Moynihan Station in Manhattan and several residential towers, could build the theater without the bonus, but several real estate and theater executives said it was highly unlikely because of the prohibitive size and cost.

    Local residents say the site, from Dyer Avenue to 10th Avenue between 41st and 42nd Streets, has taken on the forlorn look of an abandoned project.

    More than a month ago Mr. Ross's company, Related Companies, had finished demolishing the 286-seat Houseman Theater, the 199-seat Fairbanks Theater and the other buildings that sat on the block.

    The City Council speaker, Christine C. Quinn, who represents the district, said she was "thrilled" by the decision, which prevented the developer from doing an "end run" around the regulations.
    Another example of using the ideal to defeat the possible. In the end, we're left with...nothing.

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    Easily remedied -- Ross / Related could build some smaller theatres in this building -- that way the ones that were torn down to make way for this priject would be replaced and the developer would get the bonus.

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    I'm happy about this. I live across the street from the sight. It is nearly impossible to walk on eighth avenue and ninth is becoming ever more congested with tourists. I would like tenth to remain residential to keep the neighborhood liveable.

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    Yeah, that's terrific.... Another string of storefront theaters where the hygienecally challenged give us indulgent, unattended "drama" that no one goes to see. The friggin' site is better as a parking lot than more of that adolescent bullsh*t. Here's a novel idea: How about something that will actually raise property values?

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    ^ Anything's better than a parking lot.

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    The whole point of 99 to 299 seat theaters is that they are 'Equity Waiver', meaning Equity relaxes their wage rules in order to foster new productions. For them to endorse these smaller theaters at the expense of their losing dues from a full Equity house says a great deal about their commitment to developing new plays. Cirque du Soleil is hardly unique at this point, it's a corporate franchise playing around the world, like Holiday on Ice.

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    I was speaking (writing) euphemistically--of course I don't want a parking lot. But I walked by that miserable block of "neighborhood theaters" every day, and a more misbegotten bunch of dreck I never saw. All it drew to the area were the borderline indigent, who felt free to drop their garbage anywhere. No new money to the area, no commerce, nothing even artistically redeeming. I have no allegiance to Cirque de Soleil--I've never even seen it, and could care less. But it would AT LEAST have been something enlivening. God only knows what touch-feely nonsense we're in for now--and how long it will take. This is supposed to be 42nd Street, the Deuce, the Big Time. This ain't Minetta Lane. It's no place for high school-level "experimental" theater. A wasted opportunity, on some of the world's prime real estate--what a shame.

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    Actually, there were a number of decent theaters in that block, icluding the Douglas Fairbanks Theater and the Pulse Theater Group. The Kraft Diner was a landmark restaurant, the soul cafe was very good and often packed and NY1 news was located in the studios there.

    I'm frequently on that block there are not (and were not) indigent people loitering about. If you are looking for indigents go hang around the entrance of the Orion and the corner to its west on Ninth Ave. Your frustration is misplaced and your memory appears to be hazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrolf
    ... I walked by that miserable block of "neighborhood theaters" every day, and a more misbegotten bunch of dreck I never saw...This is supposed to be 42nd Street, the Deuce, the Big Time. This ain't Minetta Lane. It's no place for high school-level "experimental" theater.
    Hold on to your seat, Hrolf ...
    Perhaps you live in one of those fantastic new monstrosities at the west end of 42nd, or perhaps you just make the walk after getting off the ferry. Who know and who cares?

    It seems you never bothered to enter or view any of the theatre that was presented along Theatre Row. True? So good of you to be supportive. Ever visited the Signature at 42nd / 10th Ave? Or Playwright's Horizons on 42nd east of Dwyer? FYI: PH started as "experimental" theatre in that area 30+ years ago and has grown, through the support of the community and the city, into one of the premiere developers of writers for theatre, film and television (edify yourself: http://www.playwrightshorizons.org/about.htm ).

    I won't hold it against you if you're not a fan of the theatre, but to comment on something that you seemingly never took the time to investigate puts you in the category of an opinionated ass -- whose opinions are based on nothing but assumptions.

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    Wow--how wonderfully smug of both of you! To assume, (a): I never "ventured into" any of the theaters there, and (b) To assume I live somewhere other then nearby! (I guess the "ferry" crack means New Jersey? Or Staten Island, perhaps? I must just be one of the great unwashed bridge-and-tunnel Visigoths!).

    As it happens, I've lived and worked in the area for over 10 years, and my connections here, through relatives, are a lot older than that. I live, in fact, less than a block from the site we're discussing. Anyone that pines for the "old" Hell's Kitchen is either full of it or an idiot. I know this neighborhood too damn well to have any illusions about what those rinky-dink theaters brought us. I'm rooting for Hell's Kitchen--and for it to take real steps forward, it needs more than the Pulse Theater group, or those buffoons who ran the Tank. And as for that block not being seedy with indigents, etc: Surely you jest, Brooklyn. I don't know what your definition of indigent is, but that stretch was about the most unsightly west of 8th Avenue. As much of a nostalgic throwback as the Kraft was, it was seriously rundown--and NY1 had abandoned the building long before the Ross deal was finalized. Enough with the bullshit sentimentalizing.

    And as for the need for "experimental" theater--I'm all for it. Particularly if it's taking place in a loft space somewhere out in Williamsburg. "Experimental" being, 99.9% of the time, a euphemism for "artistically undisciplined crap conducted by under-employed waiters."

    I hope I'm wrong. But I now have very low expectations for that site. What with these vapid cliches floating around. Do me a favor, "Loft": Put your experimental theaters in your own damn neighborhood. 42nd Street deserves better than a bunch of failed drama majors convinced of their own "significance."

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    What are you REALLY angry about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrolf
    ...Wow--how wonderfully smug of both of you! ... I know this neighborhood too damn well to have any illusions about what those rinky-dink theaters brought us.... it needs more than... those buffoons who ran the Tank... Enough with the bullshit sentimentalizing ... a euphemism for "artistically undisciplined crap conducted by under-employed waiters...]...But I now have very low expectations for that site. What with these vapid cliches floating around...Do me a favor, "Loft": Put your experimental theaters in your own damn neighborhood. 42nd Street deserves better than a bunch of failed drama majors convinced of their own "significance...
    Charming. What a perfect picture into the dark, dusty reaches of a mean-sprited, rotten soul.

    I wonder if you'll understand if Lofter forgoes doing you any favors.

    Your spiral downward within such a short timeframe and your venmous response with minimal posts to establish yourself as a credible poster makes it clear you have neither mastered critical thinking, artful discourse or socialization.

    You'll understand if you are ignored going forward.

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    From the top of the Empire State Building. March 1, 2006:


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    West Nile virus breeding ground.

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    Nahhh -- summer swimming hole

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