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    Does anyone know what the status is on this property...is it on the market again or is Related still planning on building here? Also, if the city can build a platform over the railroads in the Hudson Yards, would they ever build on top of the entry ramps into the Port Authority Bus Terminal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drexel
    Does anyone know what the status is on this property...is it on the market again or is Related still planning on building here?
    If you take the time to look at the previous page, you'd see that Related has put the parcel on the market, complete with the preexisting plans for the residential tower that they were going to build, but ultimately abandoned because of the Cirque de Soleil dispute.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drexel
    Also, if the city can build a platform over the railroads in the Hudson Yards, would they ever build on top of the entry ramps into the Port Authority Bus Terminal?
    I really doubt it. Covering up railyards that are below street level, and building above (and around) these entry ramps is like apples and oranges. I don't think anyone would like to live or work in a building that has noisy, dirty buses driving through a few feet away. I doubt that this will ever be done, unless they somehow rearrange all the ramps to be underground.
    Now, covering up some of the feeder tubes into the Lincoln Tunnel is a different story. Plans were recently announced to build two rental towers on a platform above a feeder tube somewhere in the upper 30's.

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    They built a residential tower above the GW bus terminal entrance to the bridge, but it's not exactly anbody's idea of a dream location!

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    July 30, 2006
    Hell’s Kitchen
    Living Lakeside on 10th Avenue
    By JOHN FREEMAN GILL


    The West Side waters, as they looked on July 24.

    As the sun set over Hell’s Kitchen on Monday, Kenneth Karan, a freckled 41-year-old financial analyst, gazed out a ninth-floor window of his West 41st Street rental building and pointed out the effect of the wind on the water below. “You get the nice ripples on the shore there,” he said.

    Many people dream of living on waterfront property, but Mr. Karan was less than thrilled because he was referring to a water-filled crater in a vast vacant lot. The hole, in a lot whose borders run between 41st and 42nd Streets and 10th and Dyer Avenues, was created about six months ago, after the Related Companies demolished several buildings to make way for a 60-story tower, which then ran into zoning problems.

    Ever since, neighbors like Mr. Karan say, water has accumulated in the hole during every rainfall, earning it the nickname Lake Related and spreading fear that mosquitoes carrying West Nile virus may breed there. “Anybody with children, if they’re aware of it, is concerned about it,” said Kathleen McGee Treat, chairwoman of the Hell’s Kitchen Neighborhood Association.

    State Senator Tom Duane, whose district includes Hell’s Kitchen, pointed out that Manhattan Plaza — a housing complex across 42nd Street from the lot — is home to many elderly and some HIV-positive tenants, who are especially vulnerable to West Nile virus.

    “Clearly, if you have standing water, it’s a risk,” said Dr. W. Ian Lipkin, a professor of epidemiology at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University. “It’s not just West Nile; there are all sorts of other infectious agents that are carried by mosquitoes.”

    The Related Companies hired a contractor to pump out the lot periodically after demolition was completed, said Jeff Blau, the Related Companies’ president. Water was pumped out the week of July 17, he said in a phone interview on Tuesday, and would be again soon.

    Indeed, the “lake” had been reduced to a few puddles by Thursday, but neighbors said they expected water to collect again the next time it rains.

    The city’s Department of Buildings issued violations relating to the failure to drain water at the site after inspections on Jan. 5 and Feb. 24. On June 9, the city’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene issued a citation that said stagnant water had been found there.

    Local residents and Mr. Duane have continued to complain about the site since then. And the Health Department will inspect it again soon, Sara Markt, a department spokeswoman, said. If standing water is again found, the agency will consider evaluating the property for extermination of mosquito larvae, she added.

    It’s unclear what the Related Companies intends to do with the site. “We don’t have any plans right now,” Mr. Blau said.

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris
    It’s unclear what the Related Companies intends to do with the site. “We don’t have any plans right now,” Mr. Blau said.
    What happened?

    The city should enact a time limit for land to be vacant or parking lot. To do that, it would have to streamline its own approval process to avoid being blamed for the delay.

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    Perfect case for Eminent Domain ^^ ??

    Kick them where it hurts and force Related et al to remove this self-imposed BLIGHT

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc
    What happened?

    The city should enact a time limit for land to be vacant or parking lot. To do that, it would have to streamline its own approval process to avoid being blamed for the delay.

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    What happened here is that Related tried to do a sneak job on something that wasn't allowed by zoning -- and something they knew in their gut from the start, although their egos and pocket books might not have allowed them to see it.

    The city's review process worked perfectly as planned / discussed / laid out here --

    Related has refused to alter their business plan regarding this snow job of a project.

    Meanwhile Related sits on a piece of fallow land and watch as the value (hopefully) rises, waiting for the next buyer.

    "Good business" in this case does not make for good neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYguy / NY Times
    Living Lakeside on 10th Avenue

    It’s unclear what the Related Companies intends to do with the site. “We don’t have any plans right now,” Mr. Blau said.
    Might I suggest that Related show some civic responsibility -- put a nice metal fence around the site and plant the pit with wildflowers & grasses. Nothing too big that would require much maintenance ...

    Put a call out to Piet Oudolf and give the community something they can live with while the number crunchers at Related try to figure out a workable scheme for this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    Perfect case for Eminent Domain ^^ ??

    Kick them where it hurts and force Related et al to remove this self-imposed BLIGHT
    Well, we have seen that it is predominantly - if not ALWAYS - small owners who get hit with emminent domain laws. It is incredible that we now have this and Times Square Plaza wallowing (despite reports about the purchase of the T.S. Plaza parcel) on 42nd Street. The city ought to grab it and build AFFORDABLE HOUSING that bars the purchase of units by any individual, couple or family exceeding an earning or assest cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRider
    The city ought to grab it and build AFFORDABLE HOUSING that bars the purchase of units by any individual, couple or family exceeding an earning or assest cap.
    What happens if they strike it rich while living there? Do they have monitors who check your tax returns?

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    Something about that last statement brought to mind a certain Steinbeckian quality about the whole situation: a (relatively) large, barren wasteland, amidst such great prosperity, where the economically disadvantaged are transferred to try to make do in the best way they can. Then, an unexpected turn of luck: while squatting on the dirt, they discover a precious natural resource: perhaps gold, or oil, and are lifted out of poverty. Miracle on 42nd Street.

    Well, enough imagination for a day. In any case, I don't believe public housing would do well here. The land is far too valuable. Have the city take over it by eminent domain, and sell it to the highest bidder, using the profit to invest in public housing elsewhere. Oh, and just to prevent the same thing from happening again, set a limit on how long the new owners can take before real construction begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc
    What happens if they strike it rich while living there? Do they have monitors who check your tax returns?
    I am talking about an entry requirement, not a reporting requirement going forward. People moving in are all at the same level. Where their lives go is none of the city or state's business. Simply a requirement to qualify.

    Once in, you don't need to re-qualify.

    Free Market simply does NOT work in NYC. We keep hearing that the more market rate housing we allow to be built and the faster we do away with the dwinding supply of rent controlled and rent stabilzed apartments, the faster rents will come down. Well, nothing is coming down. Rents are not down. Housing costs have not dropped. Nothing that depends on the Free Market or that utilizes Free Market theories has proven to be true.

    It's time to go back to Mitchel-Llama Housing and for the state to take the lead.

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    If you live in Manhattan Plaza you have to turn in a copy of your tax return every year. If you choose not to do that you get charged what they call market rate for your apt. for the next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRider
    I am talking about an entry requirement, not a reporting requirement going forward. People moving in are all at the same level. Where their lives go is none of the city or state's business. Simply a requirement to qualify.

    Once in, you don't need to re-qualify.
    Maybe I could get a poor relation to qualify for me.

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