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    I agree about the lack of political will but not about the NIMBYism. Nobody really fought the SAS or the 7 extension in Manhattan.

    Queens were against even the JFK Airtrain if I remember correctly. Luckily, it was the PA and not the city or it wouldn't have happened either.

    Until the borough realizes and accepts the benefits of subways and rails, there will never be a political backing for them in Queens.

    Political support starts with the people.

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    With that said, I was wondering if a subway line (or light rail) running on Northern Blvd will take some pressure off the 7.

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    Northern already has a subway line in Sunnyside/Woodside

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    Plenty of people fought the SAS. Indeed, whole groups of buildings sued the MTA for this and that (entrances in front of THEIR door, etc). But there was more money in it happening rather than it not happening, and so it was built anyway. The 7 extension was fought somewhat less, but even in that case it was money over apathy. Where was the fight for the now-non-existant 10th Ave station? I think the whole fear of change is pretty strong overall, and unfortunate. It's certainly not unique to NYC, though. If there is something unique about Manhattan, it's the amount of fight that is put up by pro-development. It's much easier to snow these projects under in other places. You should see the opposition to regulations regarding accessory apartments being loosened in DC. WOW. You'd think the change making people build them and give them away rent free to currently homeless the way many homeowners are fighting it down there.

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    ^ Sueing over entrances is very different from trying to stop the entire project. I don't think anybody was out to try to stop (or foolish enough to think they could stop) the whole SAS.

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    Going through a short stretch of Northern does nothing. I was thinking one line that goes from LIC all the way to Bayside.
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    You mean like LIRR? Once the new track is built at great neck and port washington (also being fought tooth and nail) it's my understanding that service will be really quite frequent all all the stops in Queens, many of which are relatively close together (Flushing, Bradway, Auburdale, and Bayside).

    Going back to the fight, everyone, even the people in Queens will make a million excuses for why something shouldn't be built. Most of them will be made up to support their intransigence. It's like the rock creek shrimp being championed to prevent the purple line in Maryland. Sadly, most of this goes back to blatant racism. Those people. Here's just a smattering of SAS opposition:

    http://www.nysun.com/new-york/eminen...-subway/63176/
    http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/01/...e-subway-work/
    http://www.cb8m.com/sites/default/fi...lBoard2009.pdf
    http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2013...bway-entrances
    http://therealdeal.com/blog/2010/01/...ures-not-okay/
    Hell, there was opposition a decade ago in the thread on this very message board: http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2994

    I mean, again, it's not that there isn't opposition, it was just an unbeatable project, and even then, it's been dragged out enough that who knows if the next parts will be built.

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    All you've shown are some complaints about construction noise, dust and traffic and some buildings that were against the placement of entrances and utility structures near them. There was no organized effort to stop the project. Surely you can see the difference, right?

    No major project is going to have 100% full support fom everyone. It just doesn't happen that way.

    As for LIRR, it is a commuter rail and has limited stops not to mention it is more expensive than the subway. When I lived in Flushing, I never considered using the LIRR as a way of going to another part of Queens or Manhattan.

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