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    The people fighting this are primarily residents who will lose views. They sit at the bridge all day getting tourists to sign their petition while pedaling deceptive renderings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynLove View Post
    The people fighting this are primarily residents who will lose views. They sit at the bridge all day getting tourists to sign their petition while pedaling deceptive renderings.
    I'm curious what is, in anyone's mind, the compelling reason to rewrite the laws to allow Walentas to build higher than the area is zoned?

    As things are, there's a nice stair-stepping of architectural elevation, that nicely spotlights the Bridge. And zoning laws were put in place to preserve that.

    Let Walentas build there, as the zoning laws permit, 6, 8 stories, whatever it is. I don't see any compelling reason to vary the zoning laws.

    What a bad precedent to set. A big mistake was made allowing Verizon to build the tower on the Manhattan side of the Bridge. Let's not repeat it. And lets not open the door that every developer that offers the community a little candy, gets to rewrite the laws.

    There's lots of places to build as high as they like, just 3/4 of a mile northwest.

    And perhaps many opponents are interested in preserving their own views. By contrast, on local blogs like Brownstoner, it seems most proponents are speaking from the equally selfish vested motive of having kids in the area that need a middle school.
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    The rendering they use is deceptive, and there are no views to preserve.

    The current zoning is ridiculous and should be changed. It has no relevance to the surrounding neighborhood, which is the densest in Brooklyn.

    And new schools are a million times more important than condo views.

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    December 12, 2008

    How Does Dock Street Stack Up?


    With the public hearing on Two Trees' proposal for the mixed-used Dock Street Development just five days away, the two sides are marshaling their forces and, it looks like, preparing their materials. (The Brooklyn Paper has an article this morning laying out the arguments on either side.) This comparison of the project to the Brooklyn Bridge and other major buildings in the neighborhood (prepared by Bleyer Binder Belle) landed in our inbox late last night. The cropped version is shown above but to get the full effect you need to click on the image to see the expanded version. Hosted by Community Board 2, the hearing takes place on December 17 at the LIU Health Sciences Center, Room 107, at 6 p.m

    The Next Step for Dock Street [Brownstoner] GMAP
    DOE: It's Time to Examine Dock Street [Brownstoner]
    Two Trees Plans Mixed Use Building Next to Bridge [Brownstoner]
    Dock Street Plans (Marina and All) Go 3D [Brownstoner]
    Dock Street Protesters: 20% There on Signatures [Brownstoner]

    http://www.brownstoner.com/brownston...oes_dock_s.php

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    Walentas' timing on this push is perfect - no way this gets bounced during a down economy.

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    December 18, 2008

    Vote is ‘docked’! Big crowd delays CB2 vote on Walentas tower

    By Sarah Portlock
    The Brooklyn Paper

    Beyer Blinder Belle
    This is the current rendering of the Dock Street project. The 18-story tower is set further back from the Brooklyn Bridge than an earlier version of the project.


    The Brooklyn Paper / Gregory P. Mango
    Buying and demolishing this building directly under the Brooklyn Bridge allowed the Dock Street project to be reconfigured. David and Jed Walentas’s proposal for an 18-story building next to the Brooklyn Bridge is so controversial that when all of the angry opponents and passionate supporters were finished speaking at the first public hearing on the project, members of the community board no longer had time to vote.

    More than 80 opponents and supporters clashed over the residential development on Wednesday night, testifying at the four-hour Community Board 2 meeting at Long Island University.

    Thirty-eight testified in support of the Walentases’ project and 49 spoke out against it.

    The proposed 18-story residential building next to the Brooklyn Bridge on Dock Street in DUMBO comprises a 416-student public middle school, 325 rental residential units (65 of them at below-market rates), and 10,000 square feet of retail space.

    The main arguments of project opponents centered on the building’s size, fears it would ruin views of the historic Brooklyn Bridge and bring too much traffic to the neighborhood, and that the middle school was a “public relations ploy” to “sweeten” a project that, opponents claim, is basically no different from an earlier, and much denser, version that was shot down amid community protests in 2004.

    City officials had said earlier in the year that the school system does not need a middle school in DUMBO because there is capacity in other schools throughout the district. But in November, the schools officials changed their mind and included $43 million for the project in their next five-year capital budget. The money would fund the construction of interior classrooms, as the Walentases are only promising raw space, saving the city an estimated $50 million.

    Still, that carrot didn’t mask what opponents feel is a stick: an overly large project next to a historic landmark.

    “This project is not about our need for a middle school — that is the distraction,” said City Council candidate Ken Diamondstone, who opposes the project. “It is about a wealthy developer who wants to ignore and compromise our valuable icon.”

    But supporters argued that the area desperately needs a middle school, affordable housing, and noted that Walentas could build a much taller hotel — without needing public approval — in the same spot.

    “This is not Atlantic Yards,” said Councilwoman Letitia James (D-Fort Greene). “This is a project that I believe will go a long way in Downtown Brooklyn, and will preserve its nature.”

    A local middle school principal, Allison Pell, added that a school should be a welcome addition to a neighborhood.

    “When you have a school, it brings life to a community — there is artwork in the windows and kids on the street,” Pell said. “You would be crazy not to want to be involved with this project.”

    The battle over Dock Street brought memories of the historic fight in 2004 over the earlier version of the project — one that even Jed Walentas — whose father, David, all but created the now-chic neighborhood down under the Manhattan Bridge overpass — now admits had serious flaws and put too much “bulk near the bridge.”

    Since then, the Walentases acquired a small piece of adjacent land that allowed the project to be significantly reconfigured so that the 18-story wing is now set back further from this iconic span. Renderings put out by the developer show that the project’s scale is in line with other buildings in the former industrial warehouse zone.

    The meeting is the first step in a seven-month public review process because in order to build his project, the area must be rezoned to residential from a manufacturing zone.

    The community board vote is the first step in that process, but CB2 Chairman John Dew postponed the vote because of the late hour. It was not immediately clear when the count would take place.


    ©2008 The Brooklyn Paper

    http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories...ck_street.html

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    The opposition to this project are the people living in the buildings abutting this building site. The building in any of it previous incarnations would obstruct no one's views save those living in the million-dollar condos bordering the site now. The developer is putting a school into this building and they are saying they don't want one? That's the clearest indication that they are focused on their views - NOT the quality of life in the neighborhood.

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    As long as Walentas keeps pressing I think this goes through. Opposition is even harder to justify given the state of the economy.

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    This headline dropped the "their" from between "ruin" and "Brooklyn". Every rendering being pushed by the ranters is completely overblown - all this does is take away from the force and credibility of their position - yet somehow they fail to realize this. Their campaign has been going downhill since it left the gate.

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    The arguments are all about the building "destroying views". The reality is that the only views that might be destroyed are those in the condo unit. Pity.

    The self-serving aspect of their campaign is further revealed in their continued opposition to the project, even if it includes a new public school. I can state with a certainty that these folks will be crying in a few years about overcrowding, if the new school doesn't get built.

    I've encountered them twice and they really are a bunch of delusional people feeding passerby lies about the project in order to get petition signatures.

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    It's nice to see that the review process is seeing through their smoke. I expect approval of this project to gain even more steam as it makes its way down the review chain - especially given the present state of economy. 2 Trees has timed this perfectly. One thing I would like to see come out of the review process however is that the city obligate 2 Trees to a time schedule for development (similar to the obligations placed on Ratner at Beekman Tower) otherwise I suspect that this project gets approved and then nothing happens for 5 years.

    Another thought - specifically re the residents in 70 Washington who are fighting this building - better to save their political capital for fighting whatever developer who eventually buys the jehovah lot adjacent to their building - the writing is on the wall, it's just a matter of when.

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    April 1, 2009, 6:34 pm

    Historian Opposes Tower Near Brooklyn Bridge

    By Christine Haughney

    Suzanne DeChillo/The New York Times
    At a rally on Wednesday, the historian and author David McCullough, center, urged a halt to the proposal to build an 18-story high-rise on Dock Street and Water Street beside the Brooklyn Bridge.

    In the latest chapter of a hot dispute over the building of a proposed tower near the Brooklyn Bridge, the historian and Brooklyn Bridge expert David McCullough is voicing his opposition to the plan.

    At a news conference on Wednesday, Mr. McCullough spoke to a crowd of more than 50 local advocates and politicians about why he opposed plans by the developer Two Trees Management to construct a tower called Dock Street Dumbo, so close to the Brooklyn Bridge.

    While Mr. McCullough lives in Maine, he used to live near the bridge, and also spent extensive amounts of time near the site of the bridge when researching the Battle of Brooklyn for his book “1776″ and the bridge itself for “The Great Bridge: The Epic Story of the Building of the Brooklyn Bridge.” He also worked with Ken Burns on a documentary of the Brooklyn Bridge.

    “It’s one of the most important structures in our country,” he said. The construction of the proposed tower is “upstaging what should not be upstaged. The magic of the bridge’s image is diminished. It’s wrecked.”
    Mr. McCullough decided to get involved after he was contacted by local neighborhood groups. He said he unsuccessfully fought the construction of the Verizon building on the Manhattan side of the Brooklyn Bridge and successfully fought to keep Walt Disney from building a theme park near Manassas National Battlefield Park in Virginia.

    But Jed Walentas, a principal in Two Trees Management, issued a statement listing the many groups supporting the development.

    “Dock Street has already earned the overwhelming support of Community Board No. 2, local clergy, the Dean of the Pratt School of Architecture, and numerous local residents and businesspeople.”

    In 2004, Two Trees had proposed a smaller version of the project for that site, which borough president Marty Markowitz rejected. The developer then introduced a new plan that added a neighboring site and building a school in the proposal.

    In February, Mr. Markowitz wrote in a letter city planning officials recommending the concept of the newly proposed project with major changes.

    The Department of City Planning is scheduled to vote on the project on April 22.

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ooklyn-bridge/

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    The area looks bombed out to me, if they cared so much about what around the bridge why wasn't there a movement to clean up the area.

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    THere is ... the "bombed out" looking structures are the landmarked Civil War era warehouses, which only remain as exteriror brick walls.

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