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Thread: London's Congestion Charge Two Years On

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick-taylor View Post
    Actually the car has not been a liberator, it has made us more isolated.
    - We lock ourselves into a metal can which increases paranoia and uncertainty of those around us.
    - Society become more disconnected and less trustful than it has been in the past because we don't integrate properly.
    - We don't see a car as another vehicle, but as an object that gets in our way from getting from A to B.
    - Because driving requires concentration, we become more tired and stressed out.
    - Cars have killed tens of thousands due to poor and unsafe driving, millions have been affected by the effects of loosing a lost one
    - The economic backlash for traffic jams, accidents and congestion is severe, wastes time and human resources.
    - There is no 'wind-down' period between the office and home meaning our families become a distraction, rather than a relief.
    - We have become dependent upon a non-renewable resource which will soon run out leaving us in the lurch with no alternative.
    - This resource also so happens to be found in the most politically unstable regions of the world meaning we are tied to a clash of cultures, be it western corporate interests, corrupt organisations, non-democratic governments and islamic fundamentalism.
    - The environmental damage is numerous,and no more different to a human smoking.
    - The noise pollution deprives people of sleep and a relaxable environment
    - Emissions, accidents and planning decisions to cater to roads have destroyed our urban and rural environments. Coventry as a case in example is not a city any more, it is the convergence of several roads.
    - Historical monuments that would brighten up our lives and make our environments more attractive and welcoming to tourists and visitors have been swept away to make way for dual carriageways. Birmingham would have some of the grandest Victorian buildings had 60's road planners not got their grubby hands on demolition gear.

    The car is a cancer upon society, just like smoking.
    The most bombast I've heard in a long time. Also, if you want people to interact more (as you see fit to dictate people's social behavior) tell them to leave their Ipods and cell phones home as well. Next you'll be calling drivers murderers I suppose.

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    ^^


    4x4 drivers targeted in north London parking rethink
    Filed 05/06/07 http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=4094

    Islington Council in north London has become the latest local authority in the capital to seek to charge owners of cars with high carbon dioxide emissions more to park their vehicles.

    The council is holding a referendum on plans to vary residential parking charges according to how much CO2 pollution each car produces. Ballot packs have been sent out to local people, who have until 25 June to vote for or against the proposed measures.

    Council leader James Kempton said: "Two thirds of people in Islington will pay less if they vote 'yes'." The council currently charges residents £95 for an annual parking permit, with a £20 discount for vehicles with engine capacities less than 1400cc or those powered by a greener fuel source. "The most gas guzzling cars will be paying double under this plan, and that's what I think is right," said Kempton. "The reality is whatever car you drive is polluting the environment and we want to encourage people to choose less polluting cars."

    Kempton said that by rewarding owners of vehicles which pollute less while penalising owners of vehicles which pollute more, the new charging regime would not increase the council's income from parking permit charges. "This particular green policy would impact on a lot of people," he added.

    The London local authorities of Camden, Haringey, Lambeth and Richmond have already approved plans for CO2-linked residential parking charges. Richmond on Thames Council held a referendum on the matter in October 2006.

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    ^ We're so backward on these matters in this country. Must be all that Republicanism.

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    Why don't you move there if you like it so much. Especially out of NYC. Things in this country aren't likely to change very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    ^ We're so backward on these matters in this country. Must be all that Republicanism.
    Last edited by MikeW; June 8th, 2007 at 10:17 AM.

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    MikeW:

    Do you really thnk the current car / truck / traffic situation in NYC is working in the best way possible for the city as a whole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeW View Post
    Why don't you move there if you like it so much.
    Peevish.

    I bet there are things about this country that you don't like, Mike. Does that mean you should move out?

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    All you people with ideas should just get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick-taylor View Post
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    4x4 drivers targeted in north London parking rethink
    Filed 05/06/07 http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=4094

    Islington Council in north London has become the latest local authority in the capital to seek to charge owners of cars with high carbon dioxide emissions more to park their vehicles.

    The council is holding a referendum on plans to vary residential parking charges according to how much CO2 pollution each car produces. Ballot packs have been sent out to local people, who have until 25 June to vote for or against the proposed measures.

    Council leader James Kempton said: "Two thirds of people in Islington will pay less if they vote 'yes'." The council currently charges residents £95 for an annual parking permit, with a £20 discount for vehicles with engine capacities less than 1400cc or those powered by a greener fuel source. "The most gas guzzling cars will be paying double under this plan, and that's what I think is right," said Kempton. "The reality is whatever car you drive is polluting the environment and we want to encourage people to choose less polluting cars."

    Kempton said that by rewarding owners of vehicles which pollute less while penalising owners of vehicles which pollute more, the new charging regime would not increase the council's income from parking permit charges. "This particular green policy would impact on a lot of people," he added.

    The London local authorities of Camden, Haringey, Lambeth and Richmond have already approved plans for CO2-linked residential parking charges. Richmond on Thames Council held a referendum on the matter in October 2006.
    So basically they're letting drivers bribe the government to pollute?

    How is that any different from letting men bribe the government to let them beat their wives or some such?

    Sounds grand

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    All you people with ideas should just get out.
    Come to London!


    On the radio this morning it was announced that Virgin Trains had begun trials using bio-diesel on its (obviously) diesel routes, the trains aren't slow either - top speed is 200kph.

    Also a big thing that is being introduced to trains across Britain is regenerative breaking (Toyota Prius has this technology) which uses the friction from breaking to create energy that can be used to power the train, essentially decreasing energy requirements as the trains become more self-sustaining. Virgin Trains currently uses this technology and it returns 17% of all energy used on the West Coast Main Line. What makes this more significant is that the WCML is the busiest trunk line outside Japan and that Virgin aren't the only train operator meaning future expansion could return 40% of all energy used.

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    It's also been reported that that very same Camden council is banning outside heaters at bars and restaurants.

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    There are quite a few things about NYC I don't like (mainly the dominent liberal/socially interventionist political philosophy, and the practical results of that). But for family reasons, I'm stuck here. When the family issues resolve, I'm likely out of here.

    As far as the country as a whole, and your original comment about the country being backward, Euorpeans and europhiles always say that. If you like the more socialist European style of government and societal organization, maybe you'd be happier there.

    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    Peevish.

    I bet there are things about this country that you don't like, Mike. Does that mean you should move out?
    Last edited by MikeW; June 8th, 2007 at 10:42 AM.

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    I was so happy to see the news all over the place that Spitzer and others are backing Bloomberg's congestion charge. I can't wait to see the effects of this in midtown, observing the changes in traffic from my window. I can't stand seeing posers in their ridiculously big, pollution belching penismobiles, riding all alone through midtown. The problem is, for single rider vehicles on a traffic-choked island well-served by mass transit, the fee should be even higher!

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    So you're going to enjoy all those extra subway riders pushing you around?

    You're going to enjoy the higher prices that are going to be paid for everything (the delivery trucks are going to be charged the tax also, so it will be passed along)?

    Oh, and do I detect a bit class warrior BS in your tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MidtownGuy View Post
    I was so happy to see the news all over the place that Spitzer and others are backing Bloomberg's congestion charge. I can't wait to see the effects of this in midtown, observing the changes in traffic from my window. I can't stand seeing posers in their ridiculously big, pollution belching penismobiles, riding all alone through midtown. The problem is, for single rider vehicles on a traffic-choked island well-served by mass transit, the fee should be even higher!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeW View Post
    You're going to enjoy the higher prices that are going to be paid for everything (the delivery trucks are going to be charged the tax also, so it will be passed along)?
    Just another example that you've not really analyzed any aspect of the plan, except to say that it's politically dead in the water, and now that that's no longer an good argument, to rail about socialist government.

    Trucks use gas while they sit in traffic, and the drivers get paid while they sit in traffic. That gets passed along to the stores, and ultimately, the consumer.

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    Not $21 a trip worth, they're definitely going to be behind on this deal, and that's going to get passed along.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Just another example that you've not really analyzed any aspect of the plan, except to say that it's politically dead in the water, and now that that's no longer an good argument, to rail about socialist government.

    Trucks use gas while they sit in traffic, and the drivers get paid while they sit in traffic. That gets passed along to the stores, and ultimately, the consumer.

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