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    Brooklynlove supports any new development in Brooklyn, even if may look like the Super Devil of skyscrapers.

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    It's a step in the right direction. Outside the bubble world perfection doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stroika View Post
    That's like saying, "If you live in Nazi Germany, you'd best make peace with Hitler."
    Godwin's Law. Google it.

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    Avalon is great.

    I hope they build on every vacant lot and parking lot in the city, spread prosperity and urbanism everywhere, and piss off the NIMBYs and blight-lovers on this site and everywhere else.

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    ^Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASchwarz View Post
    ... and blight-lovers on this site and everywhere else.
    So, people who don't like the Avalon are blight-lovers?

    I suppose we could then broad-stroke you into the category of "I'll accept any crap that 's dished out, as long as it's a building."

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    ASchwarz, I'm not a blight-lover but...

    Avalon = permanent blight.

    I'd think I'll take the less permanent ones (meaning open lots/dilapidated buildings) over the more permanent ones like Avalon, thank you.

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    Soviet apartments = massive, cheaply built POSes = Avalon = X = urbanism

    So if Avalon = urbanism, then I guess Perm or Krasnoyarsk are an urbanist's dreams, right?

    Now all we need to do is find the missing link that shows that Avalon = urbanism. Since they build exurban office parks in cities, I would probably say they're anti-urban, but maybe ASchwarz knows the missing link ... or IS the missing link!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
    ASchwarz, I'm not a blight-lover but...

    Avalon = permanent blight.

    I'd think I'll take the less permanent ones (meaning open lots/dilapidated buildings) over the more permanent ones like Avalon, thank you.
    Nothing's permanent (with structures at least) the next generation, whatever they are called, might tear down this beast. Trust, it wont be around as long as say Dakota.

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    A 40 story and a residential guarantees that it will be permanent. As long as the building's structural integrity holds up, no one will demolish it.

    Not in this city. Looks don't count for anything here. You know that. They will not demolish it because it doesn't look good.

    Sky, show me a large residential building that was torn down in this city.

    You can't because there has been NONE.

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    Right. Maybe when 40 story buildings are looked upon as today's walk-ups.
    Best to hope for a reclad

    The largest residential building I know slated for demolition is 220 CPS.
    Only sky-high property values and the advent of constructing a building twice its size make the demo feasible. Evicting renters from existing buildings is a nightmare.

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    I see your points.
    Something tells me a lot of these new buildings. 2005-present aren't very well constructed. I have no evidence of that so take it for what it's worth.

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    They're cheap.

    Maybe a few of these buildings will fall down and impel the sort of belated soul-searching, demand for change and reconsideration of the way we've been building and buying/selling real estate for the past 10 years that we've had with finance and the economy in the wake of the collapse of the financial system.

    I hope that doesn't happen, but apparently crane collapses aren't enough to force that sort of questioning of what we're doing.

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    Argument goes both ways - cheap financing provides for higher margins and therefore more spend - on materials, construction, etc.

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    Cheap and shoddy as the work may be, they are still utilizing modern construction methods and so they are not going to fall apart any time soon.

    Don't get me wrong, I would love to see all the Avalons fall into pieces but I don't hold out any hope that it will be.

    That's why it's better to not have them constructed in the first place instead of hoping that they will deteriorate after they go up, which will take a long time.

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