Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 68

Thread: New tower on NW Corner of 42nd and 8th?

  1. #46
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    NYC - Downtown
    Posts
    32,654

    Default

    ^ Gentlemen, place your bets ...

  2. #47

    Default

    Is anyone else disgusted by this?


    http--www.lethalwrestling.com-upload-saltinetowers.gif

  3. #48

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer
    At any rate, I guarantee that a nondescript brick box will be built on this corner.
    I know you hate your crap buildings, but would you rather see a boring condo tower or the crap buildings? Take the Biltmore. Before it was abandoned tenements, now its a 50 story tower. The design is deathly boring, yet, in person, I think it looks decent.

    It's a serious question....

  4. #49
    Forum Veteran krulltime's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Manhattan - UWS
    Posts
    4,208

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by eddiebyrd
    Is anyone else disgusted by this?


    http--www.lethalwrestling.com-upload-saltinetowers.gif
    What is it?

  5. #50

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sfenn1117
    I know you hate your crap buildings, but would you rather see a boring condo tower or the crap buildings? Take the Biltmore. Before it was abandoned tenements, now its a 50 story tower. The design is deathly boring, yet, in person, I think it looks decent.

    It's a serious question....
    I'd take a brick box over crap any day.

  6. #51

    Default

    Good to hear. Like it has been mentioned I don't think it'll be a brick box here, could be a cool design, Times Square Plaza's design was decent I just want to see it moving. I'm sure it'll have all the signs and paraphenalia of txsq. I think it's great that the area has made it all the way to 8th.

  7. #52
    The Dude Abides
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    NYC - Financial District
    Posts
    4,418

    Default

    From a New York Post article (scroll down to the bold):

    TISHMAN EYES 666 CO-OWNER

    by Lois Weiss

    October 18, 2006 -- LONG before they knew they would prevail in the bidding for Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village, Tishman Speyer Properties started the process to hire a marketing firm to replace venture partner TMW in its magnificent 666 Fifth Ave. office building.

    The 1.5 million-foot stainless steel tower, home to the NBA store, is expected to soon be marketed by Cushman & Wakefield Capital Markets teammates Ron Cohen, Richard Baxter, Scott Latham and Jon Caplan.

    No one would discuss the possible sale of TMW's interest that could recapitalize the deal at well over $1 billion.

    The C&W group just took Macklowe Properties' redeveloped 340 Madison Ave. into contract with Scott Lawlor's Broadway Partners for $550 million.

    Sources say the very same C&W team is pitching the offering for 310 W. 43rd St. that is essentially a redeveloment site with frontage on the Deuce.

    Owned by Dennis Rivera's powerful 1199 union local, they apparently want to sell their Times Square headquarters building and adjacent site for a chance to move back into 100,000 feet within a new, larger skyscraper of 300,000 feet or more.

    Retail, commercial, residential and hotel are all viable uses for the next project.


    But the union's wish list includes a new auditorium that could host lots more than the current 550.

    Of course, a theater could be added to the site through the inclusionary bonus program, and then perhaps the union could borrow it when they really need it.

    Copyright 2006 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved.

  8. #53
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    NYC - Downtown
    Posts
    32,654

    Default

    This plan ^^^ would include the parking lot that runs through to 43rd St. to the west of the Duane Reade on 42nd / 8th.

    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 View Post

    ... a theater could be added to the site through the inclusionary bonus program, and then perhaps the union could borrow it when they really need it.
    That might work ... but the union could run into some trouble if they needed the space for spur-of-the-moment meetings.

  9. #54

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    This plan ^^^ would include the parking lot that runs through to 43rd St. to the west of the Duane Reade on 42nd / 8th....
    This is good news. That parking lot is horrible, as is 310 W 43rd.

  10. #55
    Crabby airline hostess - stache's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Nairobi Hilton
    Posts
    8,511

    Default

    I think the article is talking about a theater as well as an auditorium.

  11. #56
    Build the Tower Verre antinimby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    in Limbo
    Posts
    8,976

    Default

    Theatre / auditorium, it's all good news to me as long as the parking lot will be gone.

  12. #57
    The Dude Abides
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    NYC - Financial District
    Posts
    4,418

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    This plan ^^^ would include the parking lot that runs through to 43rd St. to the west of the Duane Reade on 42nd / 8th.
    So presumably, they would have to build around the existing Duane Reade building? That would be kind of awkward: an L-Shaped building surrounded by an even larger L-shaped building, with that crappy two-story Duane Reade still on the corner. I wish they would just assemble the entire full-block site and put up an office tower.

  13. #58
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    NYC - Downtown
    Posts
    32,654

    Default

    It's not clear from that article what the actual building parcel at the NW corner of 8th / 42nd would be.

    The 1199 Union building has the address of 310 W. 43rd, but DOB says that building actually covers the range from 308-312 W. 43rd & 305-313 W. 42nd.

    Seemingly that lot doesn't include any of the buildings that front onto 8th Avenue -- or the D/R site.

    It makes more sense (to me, at least) that the parcel for the new skyscraper in question would include 8th Avenue frontage from 42 > 43 (including the D/R site) and then west to include the 1199 Union building.

    DOB C/O for the 1199 Union building shows a 67' frontage along W 43rd starting ~ 125' west of the corner of 8th / 43rd.

    So, if all the plots from 8th > 43rd > 42nd were put together to form one buildable parcel then that would mean ~ 190' along W. 43rd -- giving a total parcel measuring ~ 190' x 200'.

    Seems like that is a good sized site that could go bigger than "a new, larger skyscraper of 300,000 feet or more" as described in the article.

    The "or more" seem to be the key words.

  14. #59
    Forum Veteran
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Manhattan
    Posts
    2,636

    Default

    based on need for space and location, this site should be deemed commercial

  15. #60
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    NYC - Downtown
    Posts
    32,654

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 View Post

    ...Sources say the very same C&W team is pitching the offering for 310 W. 43rd St. that is essentially a redeveloment site with frontage on the Deuce.
    I did some more digging to try and figure out this site and what might happen here (map attached below) ...

    310 W. 43rd is shown at DOB as 308-312 W. 43rd and includes the parking lot at 305-313 W. 42nd. Pics below show 310 and it's relationship to the buildings along 8th Avenue.

    The parking lot at 315-317 W. 42nd / 314-322 W.43rd is under separate ownership.

    The Duane Reade building is a plot by itself: 301 W. 42nd / 661-667 8th Avenue.

    The L-Shaped building that surrounds the D/R building, according to DOB, appears to be part of a compilation of a number of lots that include that 12-story building (303 W. 42nd / 669 8th Avenue) and the 6-story building at the SW corner of 8th Avenue / 43rd (671-677 8th Avenue / 300 - 306 W. 43rd).

    If the 310 W. 43rd site is developed as described in the article then it would be a plot about 67' x 200' (13,400 sf) sitting ~ 100' west of 8th Avenue. Using the given figure of 300,000 gsf that would lead to ~ 22 stories if built out as a solid structure without setbacks. That could also mean a huge blank wall (if built to the lot line) facing to the east towards Times Square (ala The Ivy just down the same block on 42nd) .

    Excuse me if I repeat myself : The far better prospect would be to combine the 310 site with the lots along 8th Avenue (including the D/R building), which would result in one large site measuring ~ 167' x 200'. It would sit on a very high-profile site and could command some terrific architecture and height.

    However my understanding is that the owner of the buildings along 8th Avenue (excluding the D/R site) is something of a maverick and might not play well with others .

    ***

    (1) Map
    (2) SW corner 43rd / 8th with the blank east-facing wall of 310 W. 43rd at the right
    (3) The property line between 300-306 W 43rd / 308-312 W 43rd

    ***
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	310 W43_03.JPG 
Views:	301 
Size:	67.2 KB 
ID:	2752   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	310 W43_02a.jpg 
Views:	394 
Size:	63.1 KB 
ID:	2753   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	310 W43_02b.jpg 
Views:	301 
Size:	92.9 KB 
ID:	2754  

Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. 4 Times Square a.k.a. Conde Nast Building - 42nd Street & Broadway - by Fox & Fowle
    By ddny in forum New York Skyscrapers and Architecture
    Replies: 416
    Last Post: January 2nd, 2014, 06:18 PM
  2. Replies: 383
    Last Post: July 21st, 2012, 01:38 PM
  3. 42nd Street
    By Edward in forum New York City Guide For Visitors
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: April 3rd, 2010, 01:42 PM
  4. The Zebra at 420 West 42nd Street
    By Edward in forum New York Real Estate
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: August 30th, 2007, 01:28 PM
  5. 42nd Street 'Porn Again?'
    By TLOZ Link5 in forum New York City Guide For New Yorkers
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: December 3rd, 2003, 05:49 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  


Google+ - Facebook - Twitter - Meetup

Edward's photos on Flickr - Wired New York on Flickr - In Queens - In Red Hook - Bryant Park - SQL Backup Software