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  1. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by sannajagellonica
    First of all, what´s wrong with you guys? Can´t I say openly what I think. I think it´s the cultural differences.
    It is not cultural differences - your posting is not on topic. The horse-drawn carriages is hardly a poster child of animal cruelty.

    As to the topic of the thread, see Wired New York page Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides

    In my opinion the ride is more touristy than romantic thing to do.

  2. #17


    Romance requires relative solitude, so I think a carriage ride would be most romantic on a damp, maybe drizzly day. On a warm Sunday afternoon, you're just part of someone else's photo-op.

    Rowboat on the Lake - that's romantic.

  3. #18


    At least i gave something to think about... i hope...

    I´ve been all my life with horses and I could give you two hour lecture what is bad and what is good for horses. But I won`t because no one is interested and because english isn`t my mother tongue

  4. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by sannajagellonica
    ... I´ve been all my life with horses and I could give you two hour lecture what is bad and what is good for horses.
    You can start a new thread in Anything Goes and see whether that generates any interest.

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  6. #21

    Thumbs up

    Ta for all your guidance I can't wait for our trip and I'm sure whatever we do we we'll have a great time!!!

  7. #22



    Hansom Cabbies Turn Ugly

    Horsemen try to give pedicabs the boot.

    By Geoffrey Gray

    A few horse-drawn-carriage owners are underwriting a controversial campaign to ban their human-powered rivals—pedicabs—from midtown. Lobbyist Thomas McMahon, former chief counsel to the City Council, is getting $2,000 a month to represent three carriage owners. He argues that the pedicab industry is “like the Wild Wild West” since it’s not regulated, unlike hansom cabs and taxis (the owners of which have also hired lobbyists to hobble pedicabs). McMahon’s former City Council colleague Christine Quinn has proposed a bill banning pedicabs from 30th to 65th Streets. “This whole thing is about respect,” says Arty Nichols, who owns a pedicab fleet as well as a carriage, and favors pedicab regulation. He says the owners who hired McMahon were set off by a curb-space dispute outside Tavern on the Green over the summer. “Carriages are a New York institution. The pedicabs, they’re the fresh new kids on the block.”

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    Carriage Horses Are Healthy, New Report Says

    Special to the Sun
    March 27, 2008

    The horses that draw carriages filled with tourists and couples through Central Park are healthy and well-cared-for, according to a new report by a Cornell University veterinarian that contradicts complaints from animal rights activists.

    The horses have been the subject of dispute in recent months, as a City Council member has proposed legislation to ban the horse-drawn carriages, and a storage company is planning an advertising campaign to draw attention to what it feels amounts to animal abuse.

    The veterinarian who performed the report, John Lowe, was commissioned by the Horse and Carriage Association to review procedures and observe the horses at five stables. He spent March 12 examining the horses and their living conditions.

    "The general condition of the horses was excellent," Dr. Lowe wrote in the report.

    Animal rights activists, led by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, have led a campaign against the horse-drawn carriage industry, saying the horses inhale exhaust and do not have enough access to drinking water, among other complaints.

    Council Member Tony Avella proposed legislation in December to ban the industry, though Mayor Bloomberg and Speaker Christine Quinn have not supported it. Manhattan Mini Storage is soon unveiling an advertising campaign that asks customers to donate money to the Coalition to Ban Horse Drawn Carriages, a group lobbying against the industry.

    Mr. Avella said he did not believe the study's findings. "The carriage horse industry will say anything, will do anything. I don't trust anything they say based on what I've heard and seen. They hired somebody," he said in an interview.

    Copyright 2008 The New York Sun.

  9. #24


    Red Screw, try these:

    Top Of The Rock at twighlight - a must do, if you want romance or not!
    A Circle Line twighlight cruise.
    A simple morning or afternoon stroll in Central Park.
    A Sunday morning wander around Greenwich Village (you'll be surprised at how quiet it is).
    A walk across Brooklyn Bridge.

    A meal in Ellen's Stardust Diner - I'm sure that the singing wait staff will be more than happy to serenage your girlfriend with a special request.

    You seemed to touch a nerve regarding the carriage ride - but many people try it and almost all of them pass off without incident!

    Enjoy your trip!

  10. #25


    Am I in a time warp or something.

    Red Screw ?????? 2005

  11. #26


    The hazard of dredging up old threads; people don't always notice the date.

    BTW, nice search finding the topic.

  12. #27


    Quote Originally Posted by brianac View Post
    Am I in a time warp or something.
    My mistake Brian.
    I saw your post & then glanced at Red Screw's initial entry (which WAS in March!!!)

    ...I wonder if he had that carriage ride...???

  13. #28


    No problem tdp, it is something we have all done at some time or other.

    I'm sure some visitor in the near future will take advantage of your excellent suggestions.

  14. #29


    Battling to Retain a Touch of the 19th Century

    Published: April 4, 2008

    FOLLOW the faint odor of all things equine to the double set of garage doors at 522 West 45th Street. Peek into the dim, shivery insides of a decommissioned firehouse reborn as Shamrock Stables, one of five home bases to New York City’s historic but endangered horse-and-carriage trade. The danger faced by these 220 urban beasts of burden and the 293 drivers licensed to pilot their carriages? Pink slips from the city.

    Suzanne DeChillo/The New York Times
    Ian McKeever at Shramrock Stables

    A disparate coalition that includes the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (the agency that polices the horse-and-carriage industry), the pop singer Pink, and City Councilman Tony Avella, a Queens Democrat and mayoral candidate, wants the industry, a scenic city fixture for 136 years, banned.

    Just say nay to the horse-and-carriage business because it is inhumane and a safety hazard (seven accidents, and two traffic-related horse deaths in the last three years) is the general drift of their protests and billboard campaigns. Mr. Avella has introduced various bills aimed at the industry — his first version simply called for carriage horses to be restricted to Central Park; his latest insists they should be put out to pasture altogether. So as not to be accused of inhumanity to the humans involved, he suggests that the drivers be retrained as taxi drivers or chauffeurs of a fleet of antique cars that could become the tourist vehicle of choice. An old car instead of a horse?

    The industry’s most passionate practitioner, Ian McKeever, a co-owner of this stable since 2001 and a licensed carriage driver since dropping out of college in 1987, is eager to roll out his long-winded rebuttal with the welcome mat.

    Well, not quite a welcome mat. A shaky chair rolled across the cement floor, and an admonition to watch where one steps is more like it.

    Healthy, happy, citified horses — 30 of them, including his best friend, Roger, occupy the box stalls here when they aren’t hauling tourists through Central Park at $34 a trip — are the work partners that the Irish-born Mr. McKeever, a goateed string bean of 39, is showcasing. “We may be a 19th-century business in a 21st-century society,” he says, “but we’re a business that’s been here 136 years: We’re as famous as the Empire State Building. We hold New York City’s most important commodity in the palm of our hands: the tourist industry. We’re like a gateway to the city, a kind of welcoming committee. Even actual New Yorkers love seeing our horses. Our horses love the attention; they love to go to work.”

    THE horses typically work a 35-hour week, in seven-hour shifts regulated by the A.S.P.C.A., the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene and the Department of Consumer Affairs. That beats the 7-day, 12-hour shifts they worked pulling plows and whatnot for the Amish in Pennsylvania, he insists. “We treat our horses like gold,” he adds, “because that’s how valuable they are to us.”

    Apparently having kissed the Blarney Stone, Mr. McKeever, who grew up on his parents’ horse farm in County Meade above Dublin, seems an appropriate spokesman for the hastily mobilized, and increasingly indignant, Horse and Carriage Association.

    “I consider myself an animal welfare activist; my feeling about these animal rights people is that they don’t want to hear about the compassionate side of me,” he says. “They’ve put out so many falsehoods that our association is becoming emboldened because we know the truth is on our side. So is Mayor Bloomberg.” So is Councilman James F. Gennaro, who supports raising the base price of a carriage ride to $54 from $34.

    But not Mr. Avella, who’s running for mayor in 2009. In a telephone interview, Mr. Avella reiterated his position against the industry, calling it “ludicrous” for carriage horses to be mixing with city traffic and saying Mr. Gennaro “should be ashamed of himself.”

    “If he becomes mayor, I’ll move all my horses back to Ireland,” sputters Mr. McKeever, who owns nine. “My feeling is he’s picked a controversial topic to get his name in the papers because he’s running for mayor. Besides, what does he know about horses?”

    Mr. McKeever knows plenty. He grew up riding and grooming the dozen horses, mostly hunters, on his parents’ farm, but his first love was basketball, and he played for several national youth teams. At 17, he moved to New Jersey after receiving a basketball scholarship to the Saddle River Day School; next came a scholarship to Worcester State College, but he left after his freshman year and moved, jobless, to New York City.

    His Irish girlfriend, Geraldine Glennon, put him in contact with a horse-and-carriage owner. “It was the best thing she’s ever done for me,” he says. His first night on the job, he was driving four female tourists through the park when a naked man ran out from behind a shrub, circled the carriage and disappeared. He told them the sideshow would be $10 extra. Another night, a man who had been stabbed leaped into the carriage with his stunned customers; he called 911. Twice in 20 years, he has had minor fender-benders with cars; he calls the death of Smoothie, the horse spooked by an amplified drum on Central Park South in September, an anomaly. “Our industry has an impeccable safety record.”

    Now married with three children, he and Geraldine live in Bellmore on Long Island. His horse Roger is so much a family member that when he is retired in three years, at 17, he will move to Long Island rather than the six-acre farm Mr. McKeever leases in Pennsylvania. His horses “vacation” there three or four months each year. Yes, really.

    Copyright 2008 The New York Times.

  15. #30


    Quote Originally Posted by TLOZ Link5 View Post
    Just follow the smell of horse manure on Central Park South.
    Ew..gross....I know what you mean.

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