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    This is getting a bit silly.
    Rome wasn't the capital of the world 2,000 years ago - it never claimed or was handed such a title.
    I didn't realize it was necessary for the Roman senate or some world body (I don't think one existed at the time) to confer the title.

    Should we discuss military strength next?

    We can parse data ad nauseam, but anyone who thinks that London or New York or any other city has had more influence on world events over the last 60 years than Washington DC has not been paying attention. The closest challenger during that time was Moscow.

    Maybe the term is used to try and inflate Washington and the US which lacks a large empire which expanded beyond its own borders which is what Rome and London achieved. I think thats a more reasonable answer.
    The term was used in this thread to determine if London or New York had that title, and it was stated, correctly in my opinion, that if such a title is relevant, it belongs to Washington DC.

    It seems you are trying to inflate the status of the UK on the world stage above that of the US. I wish it were so. Having lived through much of the Cold War, I had hoped the collapse of the Soviet Union would lead to a more egalitarian role for the US, but that has not happened.

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    Zippy - I just have never heard of a world capital used anytime for Washington until now. Not for London, not for Rome, not for anywhere other than New York which goes 'and claims' such a title which is even looser than London claiming such a title.

    A world capital doesn't exist in my opinion, you do though have an amalgamation of international peoples, political institutions, business, finance, culture andeconomic power. New York and London are the only two cities that encompass this - yet I wouldn't call them world capitals (which is something I keep saying).

    I also wouldn't call Washington the world capital - if it was, it would set the laws in the UK, the EU, etc - it doesn't. A capital afterall has to have sovereignty over its subjects and even though the US has the superior military....it doesn't have sovereignty over the likes of me or say someone in Iraq. That is the difference and THAT is the reality. Also if the UK was at the level of the US in terms of population, economy and military strength I think the world probably would be a bit better off, but that won't ever be happening - it can though through the EU and with other EU member states create a force that can act with and against the US. The same can be said of China and India.

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    I have heard "world leader" and different things associated with washington as a governing body NOT as an "official" would capital because of the obvious political backlash that we are seeing even on this rather small, semi-global bulletin board.


    I do not know if any one city at any time could be considered literally a world capital, but Washington seems to be the closest contender for that at this time regardless of world perception.


    NYC would be seen more as the worlds FINANCIAL capital, but that is another issue....

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    Nick wrote: "I also wouldn't call Washington the world capital - if it was, it would set the laws in the UK..."

    uh... yeah... uh... ....and you´d be paying your taxes to Washington too but you´re not..... and you´d be voting for the president but you´re not... and...

    HEY! WAIT a minute... it´s starting to dawn on me..... Washington can´t be considered the capital of the world...

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    In this age, whatever city we presume to be the world's financial capital would be THE world capital.

    And, hey, what about Switzerland sitting out there in all its "grayness" and "neutrality". What exactly goes on inside those borders?

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    "In this age, whatever city we presume to be the world's financial capital would be THE world capital".

    I can understand that observation.

    So what is more important... financial power or political power? Or.... the politically powerful city that pulls the strings of the financial power?.....

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    I think NYC does just that, but unfortunately, it is not the politicians that are pulling the worlds strings....

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    Not to split hairs, but Washington DC is considered a gamma (minor) world city by the Globalization and World Cities Study Group and Network. So in terms of economic and cultural influence, it manages to have some pull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio
    So what is more important... financial power or political power? Or.... the politically powerful city that pulls the strings of the financial power?.....
    Washington can print money.
    New York must balance its budget.

    Washington blows $1billion a week in Iraq.
    New York begs for transportation funds.

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    Washington has cherry blossoms.
    New York has Good Bagels.


    Sorry Zip, but I do not see the solid connection on your comparison there. I agree with what you are saying, and the system needs work, but the association is a little weak...

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    The association is a response to Fabrizio's quote.

    Does the financially powerful city or the politically powerful capital have a greater influence on world events?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp
    The association is a response to Fabrizio's quote.

    Does the financially powerful city or the politically powerful capital have a greater influence on world events?
    Yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp
    ...Washington can print money.
    New York must balance its budget.
    Actually, as you probably know, the government does not print its own money. The Federal Reserve prints and controls money in this country. This is all well documented - google it anywhere. Here is the story from one source...

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    The first misconception that most people have is that the Federal Reserve Bank is a branch of the US government. It is not. The Federal Reserve Bank is a private company. Most people believe it is as American as the Constitution. The fact is: The U.S. Constitution forbids its existence. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to create money and regulate the value thereof, not a bumnch of international bankers. Today the Fed controls and profits by printing worthless paper called "money", through the Treasury, regulating its value, And the biggest outrage is that the Fed is collecting interest on it! (THE SO-CALLED NATIONAL DEBT).

    The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners, stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share in the Federal Reserve Banking System (the stock is not publicly traded and you and I cannot buy a "share"). They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison. The FED banking system collects billions of dollars in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money through the Treasury at no interest to the FED.

    The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud. Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central banks are: 1. Rothschild Bank of London 2. Warburg Bank of Hamburg 3. Rothschild Bank of Berlin 4. Lehman Brothers of New York 5. Lazard Brothers of Paris 6. Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York 7. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy 8. Goldman, Sachs of New York 9. Warburg Bank of Amsterdam 10. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York.

    These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America where our forefathers were fighting their own government, they planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt. The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED District Bank: First National Bank of New York, James Stillman National City Bank, New York, Mary W. Harnman, National Bank of Commerce, New York, A.D. Jiullard Hanover, National Bank, New York, Jacob Schiff, Chase National Bank, New York, Thomas F. Ryan, Paul Warburg, William Rockefeller, Levi P. Morton, M.T. Pyne, George F. Baker, Percy Pyne, Mrs. G.F. St. George, J.W. Sterling, Katherine St. George, H.P. Davidson, J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life), Edith Brevour, T. Baker.

    How did it happen? After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow Wilson's campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In 1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation. When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully replied, referring to the FED, "I have unwittingly ruined my country". Now the banks financially back sympathetic candidates. Not surprisingly, most of these candidates are elected.

    The bankers employ members of the Congress on weekends (nickname T&T club - out Thursday...in Tuesday) with lucrative salaries. Additionally, the FED started buying up the media in the 1930's and now owns or significantly influences most of it. Presidents Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, James Garfield and John Kennedy tried to stop this family of bankers by printing or proposing to print U.S. dollars without charging the taxpayers interest.

    Today, if the government runs a deficit, the FED prints dollars through the U.S. Treasury, buys the debt, and the dollars are circulated into the economy. In 1992, taxpayers paid the FED banking system $286 billion in interest on debt the FED purchased by printing money virtually cost free. Forty percent of our personal federal income taxes goes to pay this interest.

    The FED's books are not open to the public. Congress has yet to audit it. Congressman Wright Patman was Chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Banking and Currency for 40 years. For 20 of those years, he introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913. Congressman Henry Gonzales, Chairman of a banking committee, introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913 almost every year. It's always defeated, the media remains silent, and the public never learns the truth. The same bankers who own the FED control the media and give huge political contributions to sympathetic members of Congress.
    The Fed fears the population will become aware of this fraud and demand change. The depredations and the iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks acting together have cost this country dearly.

    They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; the rich and predatory money lenders. This is an era of economic misery and for the reasons that caused that misery, the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks are fully liable. Half a million dollars was spent on one part of propaganda organized by those same European bankers for the purpose of misleading public opinion in regard to the Federal Reserve Bank.

    Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the government of the United States. It controls everything here and it controls our foreign policy and relations. It makes and breaks governments at will. No man and no body of men is more entrenched in power than the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks. They have robbed this country.

    Currently, half the states have at least a grass roots movement in action to abolish the FED, but there's no press coverage. In July, 1968, the House Banking Subcommittee reported that Rockefeller, through Chase Manhattan Bank, controlled 5.9% of the stock in CBS. Furthermore, the bank had gained interlocking directorates with ABC.

    In 1974, Congress issued a report stating that the Chase Manhattan Bank's stake in CBS rose to 14.1% and NBC to 4.5%. The same report said that the Chase Manhattan Bank held stock in 28 broadcasting firms. After this report, the Chase Manhattan Bank obtained 6.7% of ABC, and today the percentage is most likely much greater. It only requires 5% ownership to significantly influence the media . This is only one of 300 wealthy shareholders of the FED. It is believed other FED owners have similar holdings in the media. To control the media, FED bankers call in their loans if the media disagrees with them.

    Rockefeller also controls the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the sole purpose of which is to aid in stimulating greater interest in foreign affairs and a one world government. Nearly every major newscaster belongs to the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations controls many major newspapers and magazines. Additionally, major corporations owned by FED shareholders are the source of huge advertising revenues which surely would influence the media.

    Every day I hear people complaining about what they don't like about our government and media, but not one of them are willing to put forth an effort to try and change it, especially when it comes to their personal lives. We are as much a slave on a personal level, as our government is to the international bankers. We keep right on using the tool they put out here to control us, credit cards, and we are imprisoned by it. We are no longer willing to save up to buy something, we have to have it right now, so the Government has made it easy to have what you want without the having to save for it, (CREDIT). Don't you think it funny that in a land with so much wealth, only 2 PERCENT of the people own their homes? (CREDIT). Do you know 60 PERCENT of Americans have at least 3 Credit cards used to it's maximum? (CREDIT). Do you know that only 1 PERCENT of the people have their car paid for? (CREDIT). To be free, you must throw away your credit cards, and NEVER buy anything that you cannot afford at the moment of purchase. We will never be a free people until we rid ourselves of the burden placed here to control us, and when we stop renting from the powers, the power will cease to exist.

    I will close with Thomas Jefferson's Warning To America : "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Written by Jefferson in a letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802).

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    Another one....

    The Federal Reserve Act

    by John DiNardo

    On the night of November 22, 1910, a small group of surrogates of the most powerful bankers of the World met, under the veil of utmost secrecy, at specific little-used tracks of the railway station in Hoboken, New Jersey. Each of these secret banking agents had his own private railway car with new servants who would not recognize the identity of these men. The men traveled in silence to their secret destination, the elitist resort island off the coast of Georgia named Jekyll Island. Over the next few weeks these men would perpetrate, under the orders of their masters (men such as the Rothschild, Rockefeller and Morgan bankers) perhaps the most colossal and devastating fraud ever inflicted upon the American People.

    This ultra-secret fraud is known as the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. The Federal Reserve Act responded to the Public's outcry for an end to concocted monetary crises that had robbed the entire American citizenry of much of their life's earnings. Ironically, their response was like a physician responding to a poisoned patient by injecting massive doses of poison into the patient (of course, no physician would ever commit just such a heinous crime, known as chemotherapy).

    The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 concocted legislation, to be foisted upon the People's Congress of the United States, that empowered and commissioned this secret cabal of World-dominant bankers to PRINT UNITED STATES CURRENCY, a usurpation of our Constitution's explicit edict empowering ONLY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT to print and coin currency. This world banking empire used their stolen power to print, out of thin air, paper currency which, in no way represents the gold and silver reserves that authentic currency is supposed to represent. Thus, the Rothschilds, the Morgans and the Rockefellers connived the power to pick the pocket of *EVERY* American, from the small child buying a loaf of bread to bring home, to the father of a household, working his life away to feed, clothe and shelter his family.

    This monumental, yet secret fraud had swindled untold billions of REAL dollars from the hands of the American citizenry, from the moment of the birth of the Federal Reserve Act (sneaked through Congress on Christmas Eve, 1913) until the day when one courageous President of the United States, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, determined that he shall return the United States Treasury to its rightful task of printing UNITED STATES SILVER CERTIFICATES, notes that represent REAL money, silver held in reserve by the United States Government -- silver which the U.S. Government promises to pay, upon demand, to the bearer of that certificate.

    This sterling deed of rescue of America's financial self-determination so angered the supremely powerful Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan, and other ensconced banking families, that they ordered the execution of this courageous President John Kennedy who dared serve the interests of his people, the People of the United States of America.

    So virulent was the bankers' anger, that they ordained that he shall have his brains blown out in the most public of settings -- on the streets of a major American city, in an open and highly heralded motorcade, amidst throngs of his admiring people.

    And, yes, these banker assassins wanted to communicate to the world, in some cloaked manner, that they, the world's banking emporers, were the true rulers over the American People, not this renegade president, whose job it was to take orders from his masters lurking behind the curtain of the world's stage. So these banker assassins DELIBERATELY left their calling card, not at the scene of their atrocity, but at the TIME of their atrocity: that time was their calling card: NOVEMBER 22nd, the anniversary of the conception of their evil Federal Reserve Act -- November 22nd, 1910, the night when their emissaries began their secret journey from that lonely railway station in Hoboken, New Jersey to Jekyll Island, Georgia, the womb which was to hatch a most ghastly, fearsome and ravenous monster, THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND, the Federal Reserve Act.

    I have just discovered this calling card, and I wanted to tell everyone who might listen, that here is a substantial clue to the identity of the murderers of President John F. Kennedy. The secret societies comprising the world's ruling elite are deeply into numerology. With this understanding, it certainly seems too much of a random coincidence that the murder of President Kennedy occurred only a few months after he struck a blow at the Federal Reserve banking cabal by issuing United States currency notes, and, compounding the coincidence to a highly dubious degree is the symbolic fact that the Federal Reserve's day of conception is the same as the day of destruction of the president who attempted to destroy the Federal Reserve: November 22nd.

    Buy or borrow the book from your librarian (through your library's inter-library loan network), THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND, by G. Edward Griffin, and learn the whole appalling story of the Federal Reserve System which, at this moment, is bringing you and all Americans to the imminent loss of most of your life's savings through a great financial collapse, just on the horizon of the looming Twenty-First Century.

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    Yeah, yeah.... we know...."The secret societies comprising the world's ruling elite...." ...and blah, blah, blah.... and Jewish bankers.... and the Freemasons and so on and so forth.... (aren´t they all actually lizards?)

    BrooklynRider: could you keep John Dinardo and his racist paranoid New World Order conspiracy theories outta here?

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