View Poll Results: Should the International Freedom Center be built on the WTC site?

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  • It should be built right where its planned on the WTC site.

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    9 20.93%
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    7 16.28%
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    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    The box isn't there today, so they must have loaded it in overnight or early this AM.

  2. #467


    The area around the tridents isn't to be closed in at all. it's meant to be covered in glass spandrels so that they can be viewed. Because of the angle of the earthcam there is a horrible misconception of how much space there really exists on the other side. GreenwichBoy has the perfect angle of how much space there really is.

  3. #468
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    But the tridents will be closed in by glass, with framework of metal. There is a straight angle shot from the west down to where the escalators will go ...

    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post

  4. #469


    ^^ I get that they will be viewable to the outside.. but given lofter's pictures.. which we've all seen a thousand times, it seems they are going to HAVE TO put them in before erecting the steel lattice work.. if they arent in already

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    The 'Let's Hate lofter' event was last week.

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    Also, the tridents have been in for months. They're the tall columns wrapped in bubble wrap just above the current building on the HD cam, and just in front of it in all of GB's pics...

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  8. #473


    Discovery Channel
    November 5, 2010

    The Museum Pavilion: "Small" Building, Big Impact

    By Mark Breeze
    Architectural Consultant

    While the city that supposedly never sleeps went suspiciously quiet (at least uptown), we spent a night with the ironworkers of Local 40 finding out what makes even a small, supposedly simple structure on this site extraordinary.

    The only building that will sit on the Memorial Plaza is the Museum's entry pavilion, designed by world-renowned architectural firm Snohetta. It's not a big building by any means, especially by New York standards: it's only three full stories in height above the Plaza, and under 200 feet in length on its longest side. Still, it's going to be a striking piece of architecture, with a metal-and-glass facade that encases two of the trident columns from the original Twin Towers, and acts as the entry point into the museum below. You might think, given its modest size, it would be pretty simple to build, until you consider that it sits right on top of one of the busiest commuter rail lines in the City.

    Here, directly above the PATH train tracks that usher thousands of commuters every hour to and from New Jersey, the builders don't have the luxury of choosing where to lay a foundation. So unlike in most buildings, the steel structure can’t just carry loads directly down to the ground. Its frame has to do some structural gymnastics to carry the loads around the building and down into the handful of columns beneath it that are dictated by the position of the tracks. That makes for a complicated bit of engineering.

    Busy trains moving beneath a building creates other challenges too — from major vibrations to passenger safety concerns. Not only does the structure have to be able to withstand the constant rumble of trains beneath it, but its builders have to work around the commuters who come in on those trains. The result is that this crew of ironworkers can only work at night, taking 'lunch' at 2:30AM, and heading home from work as their kids are going off to school.

    This isn't any normal building either — it's an asymmetric, unique, dynamic structure, that has to be built to last forever, and survive any threat that comes its way. All of this, not to mention the tight schedule and fixed deadlines, make this seemingly small component of the new World Trade Center a surprisingly tall order. Oh, and don't forget New York winters are renowned for their warmth, and calm weather...this should be a piece of cake.

    Copyright © 2010 Discovery Communications, LLC

  9. #474


    Good article. That was my first thought when I saw the pictures. "Why are they working overtime this early in the project"? I love how engineers think.

  10. #475


    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Whatever is in the big box shown in post 461: The whole thing has been moved a bit to the south and covered in blue plastic.
    It was the weir for the South Fountain.

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  12. #477


    The MEMO Blog
    November 22, 2010

    Sponsor a 9/11 Memorial Cobblestone

    9/11 Memorial Staff

    e 9/11 Memorial is opening on Sept. 11, 2011.

    Help the 9/11 Memorial and Museum by sharing the unique gift of being part of history. This holiday, sponsor a cobblestone on the plaza of the 9/11 Memorial on behalf of family, friends and colleagues and help pave the way to the memorial opening on the 10th anniversary.

    Cobblestones will line the paths of the 9/11 Memorial Plaza at the World Trade Center site – eight beautiful landscaped acres that will include two massive reflecting pools and more than 400 oak trees.

    Cobblestones can be sponsored for $100 (plaza cobblestones) or $500 (glade cobblestones, which are located in a beautiful clearing that will be used for special ceremonies and gatherings).

    Out of respect for the victims of the September 11, 2001 and February 26, 1993 attacks, cobblestones will not be inscribed with donor names. Electronic kiosks will be located on the plaza so donors can locate sponsored cobblestone.

    Place your order by December 21st to receive your special holiday gift card.

    ©2010 National September 11 Memorial & Museum

  13. #478


    A gift card for a donation? Whatever works, I guess. Who else donated? I sprung for a $500 cobblestone last Christmas. I know we had this discussion before and at least a few other guys had donated for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMac View Post
    Out of respect for the victims of the September 11, 2001 and February 26, 1993 attacks, cobblestones will not be inscribed with donor names. Electronic kiosks will be located on the plaza so donors can locate sponsored cobblestone.
    How is it disrespectful to the victims to have the names of contributors on the cobblestones? The memorial and victims don't seem to be affected by the National September II Memorial and Museum blaring out these names for public consumption:

    $25 million Level
    The Starr Foundation

    $20 million Level
    Bank of America

    $15 million Level
    Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg
    Deutsche Bank
    JPMorgan Chase Foundation
    David Rockefeller $10 million Level
    American Express Foundation
    American International Group (AIG)
    The Bank of New York Mellon
    Cantor Fitzgerald, L.P.
    Citigroup Inc.
    Con Edison
    The Goldman Sachs Foundation
    Verizon Foundation

    $5 million Level
    Barclays PLC
    Brookfield Properties
    The Carson Family Charitable Trust
    Credit Suisse
    Forest City Ratner Companies Foundation
    General Electric
    Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.
    The Litwin Foundation
    MetLife Foundation
    Howard P. Milstein, Emigrant Bank
    The Moinian Group
    Morgan Stanley
    Ronald O. Perelman
    The Pfizer Foundation
    Klara & Larry Silverstein & Family
    The Walt Disney Company Foundation
    $3 million Level
    Fiona & Stanley Druckenmiller
    Sol & Lillian & Joyce & Irving Goldman Families
    $2.5 million Level
    ACE Charitable Foundation
    Time Warner Inc.
    $2 million Level
    Governor Jon S. Corzine
    The Crown Family
    The New York Community Trust - The Peter G. Peterson Fund
    Bernard and Anne Spitzer
    The Tisch Family Foundation
    Tishman Construction Corporation
    Vornado Realty Trust
    $1 million - $1.9 million Level
    AEA Investors LLC
    Elizabeth & Lee Ainslie
    Louis and Gabrielle Bacon
    The Cayre and Chera Families
    The Coca-Cola Foundation
    Dalio Family Foundation
    Deloitte LLP
    Ernst & Young
    The Ford Foundation
    Franklin Templeton Investments & Fiduciary Trust International
    Stanley Shuman, Chairman; Robert Haines, President – The Marc Haas Foundation
    William Randolph Hearst Foundation
    HSBC – North America
    The Iron Workers International Union and their contractors through the
    Ironworker Management Progressive Action Cooperative Trust
    Robert Wood Johnson 1962 Charitable Trust
    The Thomas S. Johnson Family, in memory of Scott M. Johnson
    The LeFrak Family
    Lehman Brothers
    McDonald’s Owner/Operator Association of NY/NJ/CT
    The MLB-MLBPA Disaster Relief Fund & Baseball Tomorrow Fund
    Samuel I. Newhouse Foundation, Inc.
    The New York Mets Foundation, Inc.
    New York Yankees
    Stavros Niarchos Foundation
    OppenheimerFunds, Inc.
    Paramount Pictures
    PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP
    Ingeborg and Ira Leon Rennert
    Edward John and Patricia Rosenwald Foundation
    The Rudin Family
    SL Green Realty Corporation
    Alfred P. Sloan Foundation
    The Starr International Foundation
    Swig Equities
    Tishman Speyer
    Triarc Companies, Inc.
    The Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen, & Katz Foundation
    Joan and Sanford I. Weill and the Weill Family Foundation
    John C. Whitehead
    Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
    $500, 000 - $999,999 Level
    Patty and Jay Baker
    Cablevision Systems Corp.
    Great American Insurance Group and The Carl H. Lindner Family
    New York Stock Exchange Foundation, Inc.
    The Rockefeller Group
    The Steven Rosenbaum and Pamela Yoder Family
    TD Bank and the TD Charitable Foundation
    $250,000 - $499,99 Level
    Anonymous (3)
    Avon Foundation
    Brookdale Foundation
    Carnegie Corporation of New York
    Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
    The Horace W. Goldsmith Foundation
    Grant Thornton LLP
    W.K. Kellogg Foundation
    Proskauer Rose LLP
    Shea Family, in memory of Joseph P. and Daniel J. Shea
    Paul E. Singer
    Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP
    Structure Tone, Inc.
    Swiss Re
    $100,000 - $249,999 Level
    Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP
    Clifford Chance US LLP
    Lawrence and Susan Daniels
    Dewey & LeBeouf LLP
    Samuel A. & Meloday K. DiPiazza
    Gerdau Ameristeel
    Jeremy, Niccole, Lynn & Jules Kroll
    Marsh & McLennan Companies, Inc.
    Milberg LLP
    Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP
    Qatar Museum Authority
    Ropes & Gray LLP
    Adam and Lenore Sender
    The Sidley Austin Foundation
    Sons of Italy Foundation/Order Sons of Italy in America
    The Sullivan & Cromwell Foundation
    Anne M. Tatlock
    Tourism Cares
    Universal Coin & Bullion, Ltd.
    Waitt Family Foundation
    Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP
    $10,000-$99,000 Level
    Airline Ride Across America
    Beth & Mark Metzger Foundation, Inc.
    Mark C. Biderman
    Bruce A. Blakeman
    Bovis Lend Lease
    Brause Realty
    The Chasanoff Foundation, Inc.
    Robert DeNiro
    DIRECTV, Inc.
    eDelta Consulting, Inc.
    Mr. & Mrs. Richard D. Field
    Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson LLP
    Furniture Liquidators
    Gibson, Dunne & Krutcher LLP
    Rudy and Judith Giuliani
    Paula Grant Berry
    H&R Block, Inc.
    Stephen Hanson
    William B. Harrison
    Heidelberg Printing
    Home & Garden Party, Ltd.
    IBEX Construction, Andy Frankl
    Interpublic Group
    John Feinblatt, President; Abner D. Unger Foundation, Inc.
    The Johnny & Mikey Katsimatides Foundation For Life
    Laborers International Union of N.A.
    Jean Pierre Lehmann
    Lincolnshire Management, Inc.
    Kathleen Maycen
    New York Building Foundation, Inc.
    Nucor-Yamato Steel
    Onslow County WSMO Listeners
    Onslow County
    Owen Steel Company
    Honorable George E. Pataki
    Paul, Hastings, Janofsky, & Walker LLP
    Port Authority Police Detectives Endowment Association
    Port Authority Sergeants Benevolent Association
    Kevin Rampe
    Spitzer 2010
    The Staff Members of the Federal Reserve Bank
    The Thomas Rogér Family in memory of Jean Rogér
    Walk to Raise
    Lulu C. Wang

    Major Donor (undisclosed amounts)
    Delta Air Lines
    Sandler O'Neill & Partners, L.P.

    I guess we're back to class war. Certain people and organizations are more valuable than others in life and death.

    I can already see the way the big donors will be "honored" with plaques and featured adds in programs. It's disingenuous to state that people's names will be kept in the kiosk "out of respect".

    The memorial isn't for the dead or the victims. It is for the living.

    I think I'd rather have a $100 gift card for gasoline for my car - or to buy clothes.

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    I think they just don't want people crawling around on the plaza reading inscriptions on the floor.

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