View Poll Results: Should the International Freedom Center be built on the WTC site?

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  • It should be built right where its planned on the WTC site.

    17 39.53%
  • It should be built but off the WTC site.

    9 20.93%
  • It should be built in some other place of the WTC site.

    7 16.28%
  • It should not be built at all, anywhere.

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    ^ rain

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenwichBoy View Post
    ^ rain
    doesn't look like it.. especially everything is dry


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    It's rain water...haven't you ever seen a deeper puddle still wet when all else around it has dried, looky there -already dry spots on the stone in the pic above,
    and the dirt all around still looks wet/damp.

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    a very localized downpour

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    Didn't they say that they were going to be testing the waterfall system in the south pool next month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightningEagle View Post
    Does it bother anyone else that those square depressions don't accurately represent the Twin Towers' footprints --neither in their dimensions or their exact locations?

    Too late for remedy, I know; but fated to be small-print footnotes in the brochures?

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    Good to be reminded of that. But it doesn't bother me a bit.

    Symbolism rather than literalism. Memorialization v. Exactitude.

    Memorial Pools Will Not Quite Fill Twin Footprints

    THE NEW YORK TIMES
    December 15, 2005

    YOU can't take symbolism too literally at ground zero.

    The great pool-filled memorial voids that are meant to mark the absence of the twin towers will be 31 percent smaller than the towers' actual footprints.

    Each pool will be a 176-foot square, centered within the original 211-foot-10-inch-square footprint. The tower outlines will not be shown graphically on the plaza, so there will be no indication at ground level precisely where the twin towers stood; only an intimation.

    It has been an open secret for almost two years that the pools would not faithfully represent the tower outlines. Official descriptions do not emphasize this fact but are also careful not to equate the pools and footprints exactly. The World Trade Center Memorial Foundation's Web site, for example, speaks of "two voids that reside in the original footprints" - not "two voids that define the original footprints."

    Only now, however, is the degree of discrepancy growing clear. On Dec. 5, the foundation and the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation issued a request for proposals from construction managers. It indicated that the pools would be 180-foot squares, a measurement that includes a parapet where victims' names will be inscribed.

    Among the practical impediments to full-sized pools is how close the north void will be to Fulton Street. If the pool were to grow, the street itself might have to be moved. As planned, the pools will occupy a total of 1.42 acres. The towers occupied 2.06 acres.

    "In a perfect world, it might have been preferable for the pools to coincide precisely with the tower footprints," said Daniel Libeskind, the master planner of the trade center site. "But their emotional geometry and integrity are more important. They are at the epicenters of where the towers stood, and much like the twin beams of light, though not exact replicas, they accurately and movingly reflect the power of absence."

    ... Around the pools, the twin towers' dimensions will be observed at two levels, said Stefan Pryor, the president of the development corporation. The rear walls of the galleries surrounding the pools will be 204 feet apart, the inside dimension of the footprints.

    And the pool containment structures, which will be visible from the underground museum, will be 211 feet and 10 inches across. Their exterior walls will align with the remnants of the towers' original column footings, preserved at a level just above bedrock.

    "Where the authentic artifacts of the original towers are displayed," Mr. Pryor said, "you'll be able to view the authentic size of the original towers."

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    Ask The Port Authority

    Q. I know the victims' names will be lit at night, but will the waterfalls themselves be lit at night also? Steven, San Diego, CA

    A. Yes, the bottom of each waterfall is lined with lights, which will illuminate the waterfall of each pool at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    neither in their dimensions or their exact locations?
    Always knew about the smaller dimensions, but I thought that the pools are centered exactly where the towers were centered.

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    The one aspect where the difference might be noticeable is that the North Tower east wall and the South Tower west wall were along the same line.

    This is accurately depicted in the Google Earth animation at the WTC Memorial site.

    But the tip of the Memorial Pavilion blocks this view. A strategic design decision?

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    The pools are set inside the footprints I believe, so that they can leave space for the original footings of the towers' perimeters.

    208', 209', 211', I give up. Exactly how large were the towers?

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    From our friends at Wikipedia -Click image for larger version. 

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    Did they break something?

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    Looks like it's just tarps to keep the glass clean.

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