View Poll Results: Hotel Pennsylvania should be replaced with the proposed office building

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Thread: Hotel Pennsylvania - by McKim Mead & White - to be replaced by 15 Penn Plaza

  1. #1846

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    Your taking my use of the term crime to literally.
    The whole building (in my opinion) is a crime,
    and to use that shape/form at the top -so close
    to another building that also uses it is crime- an assault on ones better senses.
    No- not a crime as in broken architectural rules/laws *except for lacking good taste,
    or trying to show anything fresh or original.
    Feel free to feel otherwise- I won't be changing my mind.
    The only thing nice about this building is your rendering.

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    Oh, I can see a lot of reasons to dislike this, or any Pelli building (he's only done 3 since the 80's and just kept rearranging the details). I just don't think the crown will look all that similar to Piano's tower*. However, it's hard to say. Very little has been published on the facade. Nearest I can tell, 15 Penn is using the facade to continue the taper to the pinnacle, and probably to hide the mechanicals. Therefore the crown will like be fairly opaque, with a full stop when it meets the sky. NYTimes attempted to do a fade-into-the-sky effect, and the rods were progressively spaced out as it neared the top to accomplish that.

    Two different intents, two different materials. But feel free to stick to your argument. I get it now, I just...can't be quite that picky, but that's me. You have to live with this thing.

    (*=I don't think the "it's too fat" argument holds much water either, but "boring" "uninspired" "unoriginal" and "meh" are all plausible arguments.)

    Glad you like the render. Good night sir.

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    You know, the Brookfield's Manhattan West towers make 15 Penn look so much better by comparison.


    http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1403/n125.jpg

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    The least they could do is put a spire on top of the fat thing.

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    Those towers are huge.

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    Looks like a graphic equalizer

  7. #1852

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    could use another super tall right in between.

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    yaargh those two are monsters!

  9. #1854

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    The least they could do is put a spire on top of the fat thing.
    If they put a spire on top of it, it probably wouldn't be very tall. If it was, then they'd never get the thing built, because neighbor Malkin would probably sue the hell out of Vornado.

  10. #1855

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    On what basis?

    Anyway, since it's on a zoning variance, the spire would probably have to go back through the whole ULURP process again, so it isn't likely happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by BStyles View Post
    If they put a spire on top of it, it probably wouldn't be very tall. If it was, then they'd never get the thing built, because neighbor Malkin would probably sue the hell out of Vornado.

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    Cool. Didn't expect the PA Tower to look so insignificant. C57 and Torre Verre also seem small from downtown. Time for a 1500 footer, though it might take a decade just to get these proposals built.

  13. #1858

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    i fully agree. she didn't know what she was talking about.

  14. #1859

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    I wish these renderings were made during the approval process at its full height. That would've actually showed her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
    Someone should email #1, 2, 4 & 5 to that dumb ................ to show how wrong she was about the Torre Verre overwhelming the ESB.
    I agree, Amanda Burden is among the worst when it comes to arbitrary, capricious and outright senseless decisions regarding Architecture in NYC: but lets have "civil discourse" here on the WNY forums. Also, that sort of vile 'public insult' is a bit reckless and may result in problems for the Mods/admin here - those type of posts (when spotted) will be deleted.

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