View Poll Results: Hotel Pennsylvania should be replaced with the proposed office building

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Thread: Hotel Pennsylvania - by McKim Mead & White - to be replaced by 15 Penn Plaza

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    As the MTA will no doubt loose money over the next few years they will most certainly find a way to make sure they get a cut of the profits. If you have ever been inside of Port Authority subway you will see it is lined with shops that have only entrances via the subway turnstiles, meaning that retailers must pay the MTA not only rent but the fair for a subway that they are not using. Or Vornado is going to pull a one Penn Plaza and close off the entrance way after business hours, which mean no one can use it except when Vornado says so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBMW View Post
    They can't demolish this eyesore quickly enough for me.
    This is the Mayflower Hotel in Washington DC. It is one of the finest hotels in the country. Do think architecturally it's more attractive than the Penn?



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    It look like a nice building and I would say yes it does. did they knock it down too?

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    It needs a gut renovation and facade restoration - not demolition.

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    Gregory Jones: You think it's more attractive than the Hotel Penn? Apart from the base, it's a plain turd brown brick building too. (With air conditioners punched into the walls no less.) Less distinguished architecturally than the HotelPennsylvania.

    If you really have to ask if it's been torn down too... then I think you are in over your head here.

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    Apart from the base? You must not be looking at the same picture I am, I see a set of very nicely bricked towers topped with what appear to be nice statues on top. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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    Fab - I like the passion, but let's take it easy on Gregory. He's new here and deserves a welcome to the forum - not a dig. We are a community that values courtesy.

    Today's magic word is "courtesy". Everyone say it: Courtesy.

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    Hi Gregory - Welcome to the forum! That is Fabrizio's 5,878th post. As you might have guessed, he has lots of opinions to share. You'll see lots of that here. We like lively discussions.

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    (really BrooklynRider I'm not good at this, but I'll try...)

    Greg : those are not statues at the top but urns. The HotelPenn has huge classical columns out front. The Mayflower has ....urns.

    Geeesh.

    (Brooklyn... was that better?)

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    Almost. You forgot to write "I love you" at the end.

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    Greg will have to urn my love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio View Post
    This is the Mayflower Hotel in Washington DC. It is one of the finest hotels in the country. Do think architecturally it's more attractive than the Penn?


    I love the Mayflower. What a great hotel!

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    A privately funded 67 storey tower is not feasible in this economy, nor will it be anytime soon.

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    While I want to see the hotel preserved, I disagree with your statement. If they line up a tenant like MS, they will get funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFK-CDG View Post

    The streetscape will look better/more civilized (hopefully landscaped as well)
    in your wildest dreams.

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    Civilized and landscaped = boring.

    Keep that up in Riverside South, where the nicely landscaped streets are usually devoid of people and life.

    I'd rather Seventh Ave be chaotic and busy, not sterile and deadened. Thanks but no thanks.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio View Post
    Less distinguished architecturally than the Hotel Pennsylvania.
    Totally agreed. The Mayflower is oddly shaped and that short base just looks awkward. The only thing it's got going for it is its detailing.

    The Hotel Penn is stately and together with its immense size represents New York perfectly. It just needs to be restored.

    Here is an example of exactly something like that.
    Last edited by antinimby; June 23rd, 2010 at 10:08 PM.

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