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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby
    Willets Point would be a good place for the Village and since it'll take a few years just to clean it up, the extra four years might actually be a good thing, but that means the city has to get working on it ASAP. Btw, welcome to the site and are you involved with the NYC2012 in some form or another? Because it would be nice if we had an "insider" to keep us informed.
    Thanks for the welcome . I've been trying to look for sites that where I could find some of New Yorkers that would support another Summer Games bid from NYC. I've been lurking on this site for a while now and I've been a regular on GamesBids.com. I'm not an NYC2012 insider though and I've never worked with them. I was a registered volunteer though, but I wasn't able to go to most of the events for the bid.

    We have lots of time on our hands. And since construction for most of the venues would start in a few months or years, most venues would either be brand new or faily new or recently renovated well ahead for the 2016 Summer Games. I really believe our biggest problem would be the Olympic Village site.

    And there were news for redeveloping Willets Point. They've actually chosen some developers already to submit proposals for the site, and one of them is Bruce Ratner! Most of them are proposing building office buildings in the area, perfect for the games' international press center. Brian Hatch of newyorkgames.org has been suggesting the Old Flushing Airport complex for the Olympic Village, which IMO, he's right. It's perfect as it's less than 2 miles away from the Flushing Meadows Sports Complex (Shea, National Tennis Center, etc).

    I think Mayor Bloomberg broke ground already for a new olympic-sized pool in the same sports park, in replacement of the ice skating rink or adjacent to it, I just can't remember where it would be exactly built, but it will be in the same complex.

    The signs are really everywhere. New facilities being built everywhere. All we're waiting is the decision from the USOC if they'll pursue 2016. Then NYC can decide if we'll bid. But IMO, it's perfect timing as Guilianni had put it too.

    And with some big cities from different countries like Tokyo, Rome, Rio, New Delhi, Madrid, Moscow, Capetown etc, the USOC must not choose another 2nd city for the USA like LA, Chicago or SF. They have to go with their best, and right now, IMO, the most prepared in the US to host is either LA or NYC. Now, which one are you going to choose?

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    Hey, I was thinking we should continue this discussion on the Olympics thread. In fact, I'm going to quote your post above and put it in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby
    Hey, I was thinking we should continue this discussion on the Olympics thread. In fact, I'm going to quote your post above and put it in there.
    Yeah. Let's do that. I think we, New Yorkers, should push through for another bid from NYC. It's the best for NYC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYork2016
    And with some big cities from different countries like Tokyo, Rome, Rio, New Delhi, Madrid, Moscow, Capetown etc, the USOC must not choose another 2nd city for the USA like LA, Chicago or SF. They have to go with their best, and right now, IMO, the most prepared in the US to host is either LA or NYC. Now, which one are you going to choose?
    NYC doesn't stand a chance unless is really ups its design game ...

    Take a look at the London plan: MILES + YEARS ahead of NYC's proposal.

    Start HERE and enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    NYC doesn't stand a chance unless is really ups its design game ...

    Take a look at the London plan: MILES + YEARS ahead of NYC's proposal.

    Start HERE and enjoy!
    Its the way the US builds its stadiums. No city in the United States would build a stadium without any use after the games (white-elephant). NYC would build a stadium that would be used by the Mets after an Olympic Reconfiguration. It will work in other countries as the government will spend their money on building stadiums, most of the time, even without a firm commitments on its after-use, the USA is not the same case. We don't want "white-elephants".

    Granting we'll have a better chance if we apply the same thing or at least emulate the London plan, which city interested in bidding for 2016, do you think has a plan like London's at least similar to it when it comes to its design?
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    Well the DD bid set (a weird combination) is due out the end of next month, so we will see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYork2016
    Its the way the US builds its stadiums.
    Show me an uglier, less intriguing new stadium (comparable to the 80' high "shoe box" that NYC2012 was trying to foist upon the city) and maybe we can talk more on this subject ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    Show me an uglier, less intriguing new stadium (comparable to the 80' high "shoe box" that NYC2012 was trying to foist upon the city) and maybe we can talk more on this subject ...
    Better way, show me a stadium proposed by the interested cities for 2016, that's going to be better than the one proposed by NYC2012 for the new Shea in Queens.

    I think you're dwelling on the ugliness of the shoebox stadium on the West Side of Manhattan. Wake up, it's dead!

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    NYC2012 is dead as well.

    If there is a proposal for a new stadium at the "new" Shea I haven't seen it.

    A link from you would be great ...

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    For the new Mets stadium to work it would have to be designed from the beginning for the conversion. The design of seating, concourses, entryways, sightlines. One half of the park would have to be temporary and bare of permanent amenities.

    Even though this was done with the Turner Field in Atlanta. There have been significant renovations to the stadium that make it a better baseball park and conversion back to an Olympic stadium is impossible without major demolition of several of the parks amenities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    NYC2012 is dead as well.

    If there is a proposal for a new stadium at the "new" Shea I haven't seen it.

    A link from you would be great ...
    As of now, we don't have anything cemented from the city officials and everything is pure speculation. But, which city has a cemented plan for 2016 anyway? At least, we have something to look back and base our speculations upon.

    But showing how you dislike a possible bid from NYC again just shows how pessimistic you are on NYC's chances. I respect that and I welcome that. I just believe you're on the wrong side of the history NYC is trying to write for itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno
    With the information available it appears any deal with a sports team is dead for a future Olympic stadium.

    The options would be to build a temporary Olympic Stadium. Not sure if the IOC would be too pleased about this, as they want venues to go on and serve the host community.

    Or look to other large venue events to keep the stadium busy. Such as college football, national basketball tournaments, international soccer tournaments, international track and field, cricket, field hockey and so on. Many cities have large stadiums and don't have regular national teams in competition.

    Most all large stadiums around the world are largely used for soccer.
    ie new wembley stadium used for only the england football team and concerts and the fa cup final

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    April 2, 2006
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    Home, Sweet Homer: The New Mets Stadium
    By JEFF VANDAM


    The planned Mets stadium.

    WITH all the rancor in the City Council last week over plans for a new Yankee Stadium, New Yorkers may forget that the city actually has two baseball teams that intend to open new ballparks by 2009.

    Last week at City Hall, Mr. October himself, the former Yankee Reggie Jackson, defended the Yankees' plans to Councilwoman Helen Diane Foster of the Bronx, among other critics. Yet very little attention has been paid to the details of the planned Mets stadium, which were disclosed last month in the team's media guide and have been reprinted in at least one newspaper, The Queens Chronicle. Construction of Shea II is slated to start in a few months.

    The Mets say they will not discuss the new stadium until they make an official announcement, which they say will be soon. But at least as described in the media guide, the new Shea, which will be built in the eastern parking lot of the current stadium, will depart sharply from the giant blue bowl that Mets loyalists have filled since 1964.

    For example, Shea II features a clear tip of the hat to Brooklyn's late beloved Ebbets Field in its exterior brick facade. According to the Mets media guide, there will also be a ring of steel supports around the proposed stadium that are meant to evoke the city's bridges as well as the team's connection to the five boroughs.

    The team promises that the new arena will include more bathrooms and more hot-dog stands than does Shea (exactly how many more is not clear), as well as wider seats and more legroom.

    The stadium is scheduled to be ready for Opening Day 2009, and it will take shape as the Mets play their next three seasons. Although parking may be a concern during construction, one other potential worry can be put to rest. With the new stadium, which will benefit from subsidies from New York City and New York State, the Mets will agree to stay in Queens for at least 35 more years.

    'Polo Grounds,' Perhaps?

    For Mets fans, Shea II offers many topics to ponder, from field dimensions to seating capacity. High feelings surround one issue in particular — its name.

    "Let's name the stadium appropriately either after the team or after an individual," Andrew Cardona, a lifelong Flushing resident, said at a public hearing about the plan held in Flushing this year. "But I hope it's not going to be called the Citigroup Field."

    Edward Kennedy, a computer operator and Mets season-ticket holder who lives in Rockaway Beach, Queens, likes the old name just fine. "Look at all those fields — 'Tropicana Field?' " he said as he wandered around the Mets store near Bryant Park last week. "I don't think they should change the name Shea."

    On the Mets Web site, some fans suggested that Met Life, the insurance company, would surely be an apt stadium sponsor, but when other fans suggested naming the field for Jackie Robinson, reaction was swift.

    "The Mets have their own history," wrote a user named izzygone, who pointed out that Robinson, the Dodger, never wore the blue and orange. "I'd rather name it Gil Hodges Stadium."

    Another online fan, named caliboi, added a dose of reality. "Face it, guys," he wrote. "The stadium will not be named after a person." But he acknowledged that there was one person — and a son of Queens at that — who could pull it off. "Trump Field, or Trump Park," caliboi wrote. "His name is everywhere."

    Pray for Sun

    Most fans seem to approve of the field's overall design — most of it, anyway.

    John Pasterick, wearing a Mets windbreaker as he made his way home to Old Bridge, N.J., from Midtown last week, said he was too young to remember Ebbets Field and could not compare it with designs for the new park. But what he liked about earlier plans for the new Shea, he said, was its retractable roof, a detail missing from the current renderings. "You can get all excited about the weather on Opening Day," he said, "but the next week it could be 40 degrees and raining."

    Others chafed at the fact that the new Shea will have 11,500 fewer seats than the old one. "If they intend to build a franchise that will compete every year," asked donmorf1, on the fan forum, "why are they going to provide fewer seats in the largest and probably most baseball-intense metropolitan area in the country?"

    Gene Kelty, chairman of Community Board 7 in Flushing, questioned the accuracy of the plan's estimated 8,800 parking spots, and the reasonableness of their location. A lot at the Van Wyck Expressway Viaduct, Mr. Kelty said, is "so far remote that the people parking there should go instead shopping at the Home Depot. They are a lot closer to that site than the stadium."

    Eric Okurowski, a resident of Babylon, N.Y., who operates a stadium-analysis site, www.stadiumpage.com, favors a bay view beyond the outfield instead of the scene of Willets Point and Northern Boulevard that fans of the new stadium will see.

    But he knows this is a pipe dream. "My two favorites are PNC Park in Pittsburgh and AT&T Park in San Francisco partially because of the view of the water beyond the outfield fences," he wrote in an e-mail message. "Sadly, that's just about impossible in Flushing unless they move the Whitestone Expressway!"

    More practically, Mr. Kennedy of Rockaway Beach noted that the orientation of the new park's outfield and the opening behind it could have another drawback: fans without tickets will no longer be able to glimpse the games from the exit platform of the No. 7 train.

    Goodbye and Good Luck

    Most fans were willing to say goodbye to, and even to deride, the Mets' longtime home.

    "It's a dump," said Mr. Pasterick, the fan from Old Bridge. Asked if the old park should be torn down, he gave a sympathetic smile. "It's time," he said, as if bidding a last farewell to a friend.

    Others were more descriptive. "Today, Shea's interior is a dark, damp, smelly dungeon full of confusing ramps and escalators that don't work half the time," mitchesq, another online user, wrote last week.

    Some admitted to the prospect of shedding a tear when Shea meets the wrecking ball. Others were already thinking of what they might claim.

    "I'd want a seat," Mr. Pasterick said, with a smile. "I'd put it in my backyard." Is there a color he would prefer? "Either orange or blue," he said, perhaps not coincidentally picking some of the best seats in the house.

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    It's clearer now. The stadium doesn't appear to be expandable to accommodate an Olympics.

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    It's a bit easier to see some of the architectural details in the photo from the Times. The design of the steel lattice below the upper deck roof definitely resembles a suspension bridge, a prominent element in the Mets' logo. This adds a nice feature, much like the Yankee Stadium frieze.

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