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    Why the G to SI? That really wont do anything for SI commuters unless they work in downtown Brooklyn. Queens lines definately need to be extended. 7 to atleast Whitestone, F to atleast Queens Village, and the E or J to Laurelton.

    And no L to Hoboken, or E to Jersey City. Keep the subway within NYC. Let PATH take care of the interstate stuff. And as for a new PATH tunnel, why not just send NJT downtown instead. That'd take a load off PATH

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    ^ Eugenious: out of the box.

    NIMBYkiller: in.

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    What about La Guardia?

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    Let's get this topic back to the #7, or at the least, Manhattan Westside.

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    September 20, 2007 Edition > Section: New York > Printer-Friendly Version

    Plan To Extend No. 7 Line Has Only One Bidder

    BY ELIOT BROWN - Special to the Sun
    September 20, 2007
    URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/63023

    The $2 billion plan to extend the no. 7 subway line has received only one bid for what is likely the project's biggest contract, a factor that could weaken the state's ability to leverage a low-cost final agreement.

    The group that submitted the bid for the tunneling was a venture including one of the most active builders in the city, Skanska USA, which has received hundreds of millions in city and state contracts in recent years. Skanska's projects in the region include the PATH hub at ground zero, construction of the Croton Water Filtration Plant, a contract worth more than $1 billion, and work on the Delaware Aqueduct water tunnel.

    "It's not ideal to only have one," the executive director of the New York City Transit Riders Council, William Henderson, said. "This is a good chunk of the money for the project, and my understanding is, more importantly, it's the part where you don't have a good a hold on what the price is going to be."

    Skanska's partners in the bid are Schiavone Construction and J.F. Shea Construction. The same consortium has been assigned the $330 million tunneling contract for the Second Avenue Subway, which was approved in March.

    Contracts awarded by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority ordinarily have numerous bidders, sometimes with tens of millions of dollars separating the high and the low bids.

    In addition to the venture including Skanska, one other group submitted a bid for the Second Avenue Subway, asking for almost $500 million, about $270 million more than the Skansa bid, according to MTA records.

    A spokesman for the MTA, Jeremy Soffin, declined to comment on the tunneling bid, saying the agency is in the procurement process and expects to award a contract in the fall.

    The no. 7 line extension, which will run 1.5 miles between Times Square and the southern end of the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, lacks any guarantee of funding beyond the $2 billion committed by the city. Given that rising construction costs could contribute to cost overruns, transit advocates have expressed concerns about the project, which the city has pegged as a key driver in its effort to spur development on the West Side.

    While multiple bidders would have been preferable, Mr. Henderson said the limited funding for the project could actually help the MTA to put pressure on the contractors to keep costs down.

    "There's a budget for the project, and if they can't come to an agreement that allows them to work within that budget," he said, "then the project can't go forward."

    Responding to an inquiry about the single bidder, a spokesman for Mayor Bloomberg, John Gallagher, expressed confidence in the stability of the project and the group vying for the contract. "These bidders are eminently qualified to do this work," Mr. Gallagher said in a statement.

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    It is not surprising that there was only one bid. This project was advertised and cancelled several times. A lot of bidders lost money preparing bids. It left a very negative feeling in the industry.

    The other problem will be to find experienced labor. With the Second Ave and ESA projects underway at the same time, they will have to import tunnel workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyO View Post
    The no. 7 line extension, which will run 1.5 miles between Times Square and the southern end of the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, lacks any guarantee of funding beyond the $2 billion committed by the city.
    What about the Feds?

    They're throwing tons of money into all sorts of wild and crazy projects all across the country but here's one that's completely sensible and smart and yet we can't even get a dime?

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    Higher Costs Force Cutback in Extension of the No. 7 Line

    By WILLIAM NEUMAN
    Published: October 20, 2007

    The Metropolitan Transportation Authority said yesterday that it planned to scale back an extension of the No. 7 subway line because the cost of the first phase of the project was higher than expected.
    The project, which was proposed by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, is intended to help spur development on the West Side of Manhattan by extending the line from Times Square to 34th Street and 11th Avenue.
    The authority’s board is to be asked to vote next week on a $1.14 billion contract for a reduced version of the first phase of the project.
    The authority said it had received only one bid for the work, which includes digging the tunnels and excavating the space for the 34th Street station. The work was also to include the creation of a “shell” for an additional station at 10th Avenue and 41st Street.
    The contractor, the same consortium of companies that will dig the tunnels for the first phase of the Second Avenue subway, had originally submitted a bid that set the price for the work at $1.5 billion to $1.74 billion.
    In a summary of the contract prepared for board members, the authority said that to save money, it decided to eliminate the shell for the 10th Avenue station, and the contractor then agreed to do the work for $1.14 billion.
    Critics worry that subsequent work on the project could push it beyond the $2.1 billion the city has agreed to pay for the entire extension.
    Assemblyman Richard L. Brodsky warned that if the authority was stuck paying for overruns, that could put at risk other major projects, like the Second Avenue subway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianac View Post
    ...the authority said that to save money, it decided to eliminate the shell for the 10th Avenue station...
    BIG mistake.

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    HUGE Mistake ^^^

    Ridiculous that this is how the 7 Extension is panning out.

    Best to dump the whole thing and instead put in light rail all along W 42nd and down to 34th -- and then run it around.

    Why waste billions on a one-stop shuttle?

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    First it was 2 stations, then it was 1 station and a shell and now just a station...wow. Big big mistake. There is no point to this project. Might as well just be a railyard.

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    Default why can't they build the second station later

    Is it impossible to build the second station later if the tunnel is there? If not, I don't see why it matters if they build this first. Then, as the population of that area grows and major corporations build offices there, political support for the second station will be easier.

    Why isn't that a reasonable approach?

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    It took how long to get it together to start the new segment of the East Side / 2nd Avenue Subway?

    And how long to get the (as of yet not started) 7 Extension in gear?

    If you want to wait until 2050 then the idea is A-OK.

    If you want the Hudson Yards area to boom then it is stupid.

    The probnlem is the management of MTA -- they don't know how to manage their holdings / resources. I'm not a money guy but they are obviously donkeys.

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    ^ You're being kind. The really are incapable of planning and budgeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by investordude View Post
    Is it impossible to build the second station later if the tunnel is there?
    The station they want to eliminate isn't at the end of the line. It would be extremely expensive (maybe impossible) to carve out a station while keeping the line in service.

    If they don't do it now, I doubt they ever will.

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