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    2013 Is when East Side Access is supposed to be finished as well. These projects and the 2nd Avenue Subway will all mesh very nicely together. If we could just get the TRX built we would actually be well on our way to having a really good transit network.

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    Lookiing at the TRX map it appears that this plan would serve loads of folks and address lots of transportation issues ...


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    Here's a similar diagram from streetsblog.org with additional information also:


    The "Triboro RX" and New Transit Riders by Origin (Michael Frumin, 2007)

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    We'd need lots of luck getting that built. It doesn't go through Manhattan, look at the G train, its like they were bordering on stopping it.

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    But this trx-type plan is necessary for a sensible transit system -- a ring route is needed and would connect widespread areas.

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    Sounds like a good idea. Any idea how much it would cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gradvmedusa View Post
    2013 Is when East Side Access is supposed to be finished as well. These projects and the 2nd Avenue Subway will all mesh very nicely together. If we could just get the TRX built we would actually be well on our way to having a really good transit network.
    its 2008 and ESA has not really even began, except for some yard work in queens, it will not be complete in 2013, maybe 2016

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    ^^^. Have you read the other thread, the tunnel boring machine has already tunneled over 1300 feet in Manhattan towards Grand Central (and that was last week) and is at close to 60th and Lexington (and probably almost at Park Avenue at this point) and apparently the second machine will start work on the parallel tunnel

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    Although the NYC subway isn't a hub-and-spoke layout like Chicago, the TRX would be similar to Chicago's planned Circle Line, which would connect outlying areas without the need to travel to the hub.

    CTA system map

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    I will be posting a fantasy map (updated) from the one I posted a few months ago. Unfortunately I ranted on and the browser logged me out before I could hit submit. I'll just post this pic w/o explantions and will leave for discussion. Hopefully he convo is good enough to become its own thread.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Just what's needed.

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    More rhetoric.

    I agree with them but maybe these high-profile, powerful figures should work harder on helping the city come up with more funds to build the station instead of just "urging."


    City Urged to Restore Stop on Extension of No. 7 Train



    By CHARLES V. BAGLI
    Published: December 21, 2007

    Two years after the Far West Side was rezoned for large-scale development, a growing number of elected officials, environmentalists and community groups are questioning the city’s and state’s plans for the area.

    The city has set aside $2.1 billion for the extension of the No. 7 line from Times Square to the Javits Convention Center and the West Side railyards, the rights to which the Metropolitan Transportation Authority plans to auction off for high-rise residential and commercial development. But in an effort to stay within the budget, the city recently eliminated one of two stops along the 1.1-mile extension from the current tunneling contract.

    Representative Jerrold Nadler; the city comptroller, William C. Thompson Jr.; and other officials said in a Dec. 19 letter to Deputy Mayor Daniel L. Doctoroff that it was “imperative” that the city build that subway station, at 10th Avenue and 41st Street, as part of the extension, work on which began last month. Not doing so, they said, would “represent a failure to the area’s growing residential population” and “puts at risk several million square feet of potential commercial and residential development.”

    Those officials suggested financing the station by diverting money from projects that could be put on hold temporarily, like building a tree-lined boulevard between 10 and 11th Avenues, from 34th to 39th Streets. Those projects are part of the city’s larger vision for rebuilding the Far West Side.

    “We’re not going to give up on this,” said Senator Charles E. Schumer, who initiated the letter. “Any urban planner would tell you that residential and commercial development follows mass transit. It will not only open up the northern end of the Far West Side, but also north of 42nd Street, where there is no mass transit either.”

    The letter was also signed by State Senator Tom Duane; Kathleen Treat of the Hell’s Kitchen Neighborhood Association; Gene Russianoff of the Straphangers Campaign; Betsy Gotbaum, the public advocate, who is expected to run for city comptroller; and Representative Anthony Weiner, who, like Mr. Thompson, will probably run for mayor next year.

    The letter brought a quick retort from City Hall. “It’s time for Senator Schumer and his colleagues in Albany and Washington to step up to the plate with adequate capital funding for the M.T.A., so that they have the resources to provide the rest,” said John Gallagher, a spokesman for the Bloomberg administration.

    At a hearing Thursday about progress on a variety of West Side projects, Mr. Doctoroff said that the city had never planned to build the subway station at 10th Avenue and 41st Street in the first phase of the tunneling project. At the same time, officials said that the city was trying to bring down the cost of building the station, which could run more than $400 million.

    Mr. Doctoroff also said that the city had proposed splitting any expenses beyond the $2.1 billion budget for the subway extension with the transportation authority. The two sides have yet to come to an agreement on cost overruns.

    The hearing was sponsored by Assemblyman Richard L. Brodsky, who also signed the letter. He said the Far West Side represented the “last great visionary opportunity” for development in Manhattan, but he bemoaned the long-stalled $1.8 billion expansion of the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center and the “controversial” financing for the subway.

    Mr. Brodsky also questioned whether the transportation authority would ever get the money it needed for its capital budget from the pending sale of development rights over the West Side railyards. He suggested that it might make more sense to create a public authority that could finance and coordinate the West Side projects.

    Mr. Doctoroff acknowledged some missteps, but vigorously defended the progress in redeveloping the West Side. “What you have is enormous success in planning and execution,” Mr. Doctoroff said. “This is about the transformation of a forlorn area into one of the most vibrant commercial, residential and cultural areas of Manhattan.”

    As for the subway, he said it was necessary to attract development. Commercial developers have said the same thing, but residential builders have been active for some time on the West Side and do not see the extension as critical.

    Patrick J. Foye, co-chairman of the Empire State Development Corporation, acknowledged that the convention center expansion plan that he inherited from a previous administration was “dead.” He said it was unworkable and $1 billion more expensive than had been previously stated.

    The plan was devised by Charles A. Gargano, the top economic development official in the Pataki administration, and Mr. Doctoroff. Yesterday, Mr. Doctoroff conceded that most of the proposed expansion plans do not make “a lot of economic sense.”

    Mr. Foye said he hoped to complete a yearlong review in January and announce a plan to refurbish the existing Javits Center and to build a very modest amount of new exhibit and meeting space. “We inherited a mess,” he said.

    Lee Sander, executive director of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, said he expected the authority’s board to select a winning bid for the railyards in March. Plans call for the development of 12 million square feet of residential and office buildings and retail space over the yards.

    But Richard Ravitch, a former chairman of the transportation authority, testified that he was “dubious whether this process will produce any money for the M.T.A.’s current capital plan.”

    Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

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    City tells MTA: Let’s split 7 station costs

    by patrick arden / metro new york

    DEC 21, 2007

    MANHATTAN.

    On Thursday, outgoing Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff said the city would be willing to go halfsies with the MTA to carve out a second station on the 7 line extension.

    The offer represented a change of heart for the Bloomberg administration, which had balked at spending more than the $2.1 billion it had budgeted for the project, a key part of its plan to develop the Far West Side.


    To cut costs, the 7 extension had become a one-stop line to 34th Street and Eleventh Avenue, because “commercial tenants will not move” to the Hudson Yards without the 7, Doctoroff explained at the project’s groundbreaking ceremony earlier this month.

    When the initial tunnel-boring job went to a sole bidder, a second stop at 41st Street and Tenth Avenue was scrapped, though the $1.1 billion contract contained an option to build the station’s shell for another $450 million. That option must be exercised by next September.

    MTA chief Elliot Sander told a state Assembly hearing Thursday he’d consider splitting the shell’s cost, but it depended on the MTA getting more money from Albany. “Under the current [capital] plan, we do not have the resources,” he said.

    “It would be a grave error for the MTA to even consider it,” said Assemblyman Richard Brodsky. “They don’t have enough money for the Second Avenue Subway.”

    Brodsky signed a letter to Doctoroff yesterday, asking the city to pay the full cost of the second station. The letter was signed by federal, state and city officials, including Sen. Charles Schumer and City Comptroller William Thompson. Schumer had earlier told the city it could pay for the station if it postponed a tree-lined boulevard planned for the Hudson Yards project.

    Mayoral spokesman John Gallagher replied, “It’s time for Senator Schumer and his colleagues in Albany and Washington to step up to the plate with adequate capital funding for the MTA so that they have the resources to provide the rest.”

    “The city always said it was giving the MTA a free subway,” said Gene Russianoff of the Straphangers Campaign. “It should give the MTA a free subway.”

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