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    Sorry, ablarc. didn't intend to annoy you before noon.

    Actually, they look a lot better in person, especially with bikes and people attached.

    Now this... truly ugly.

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    ^ Who's the designer of that one?

    No place to hitch your bike.

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    That one is by Rogers Marvel Architects.

    For that design they received an award [pdf] last night from AIA NY ...

    Urban Design Merit Award Winners:

    Architect: Rogers Marvel Architects, PLLC
    Project: MTA Flood Mitigation
    Streetscape Design Location: New York, NY

  4. #349


    Does that say more about Rogers Marvel or about the AIA Awards Committee?

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    Subway Station Gets Fresh Push

    Wall Street Journal
    APRIL 27, 2010

    Top New York real-estate executives and the City Council speaker will make an 11th-hour push Wednesday to persuade the White House to back federal funding for a second subway station as part of the extension of the No. 7 line in Manhattan.

    Officials from the Real Estate Board of New York, a trade association, and City Council Speaker Christine Quinn will meet in Washington with Vice President Joe Biden's staff in hopes of securing hundreds of millions of dollars to build a station at 10th Avenue and 41st Street.

    The city, which agreed to pay for the extension for the cash-strapped Metropolitan Transportation Authority, is spending $2 billion to extend the No. 7 line from Times Square to 34th Street and 11th Avenue. A 41st Street station was originally in the plans, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg scrapped it when costs skyrocketed. The city estimates that the station would cost an extra $500 million.

    Steve Spinola, president of the Real Estate Board, said a station at 41st Street would make the neighborhood a more desirable place to live and work, and failing to build it would be a "terrible, terrible mistake."

    "I don't expect we will be leaving the White House with a check in our hands," he said. "But it would be nice if we can identify a structure to move forward that will, in effect, make sure this station actually gets built."

    Mr. Spinola said a report commissioned by the board suggests supporters have roughly a year to secure funding before it's too late. But the city believes the time frame is closer to two weeks.

    The administration plans to move forward with the next set of contracts on the project, and turning back to build a second station after these contracts are issued, would result in tens of millions of wasted dollars, an official said.

    "We're open to talking about what happens if someone finds additional funding, but we're certainly not going to hold up the project hoping that happens," said Andrew Brent, a spokesman for the mayor.

    "A 10th Avenue station would be nice, but the MTA and state budget problems are well-known, and the city is in no position to step in to pay for that, too."

    If federal funds can be secured, Mr. Spinola said, officials in the Bloomberg administration told him there's a "strong desire to find another $250 million" in city funds.

    Mr. Brent said the city made no such assurance.

    Ms. Quinn, a Manhattan Democrat who is seen as a potential 2013 candidate for mayor, is leading the delegation to Washington. "We're working to rebuild an entire neighborhood, and an important key to that is having a strong transportation system," she said.

    Hal Fetner, chief executive of Durst Fetner Residential and a building owner in the neighborhood, said the area is underserved by public transit.

    "The city, state and federal government recognize how complex the construction and financing of this subway station is, but if we don't do it now, we will never have another opportunity," he said.

    Copyright 2009 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

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    ^ It's a good thing to have an open window on the second station, no matter how small. 1-2 years is a long time.

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    these are from yesterday via iphone

    11th ave at 26th st -- working away in the 100+ degree heat!

    more from further uptown in front of the javits

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    Without the subway station, this area will remain a densely-populated wasteland.

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    But this is the area getting the subway station... it's 42nd street that's in doubt.

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    My bad, I was talking about 42nd Street and carelessly failed to notice I wasn't looking at it on the thumbnails.

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    W. Side tunnel vision now reality

    Last Updated: 10:06 AM, July 16, 2010
    Posted: 3:57 AM, July 16, 2010

    A giant spinning drill bit smashed through a bedrock wall 40 feet beneath the Port Authority Bus Terminal yesterday, completing a new tunnel for the extension of the No. 7 line to the West Side rail yards.
    At 4:14 p.m., what had been a loud, rumbling roar quickly changed to the sound of metal scraping rock as the last inches of Manhattan granite crumbled away.
    "It was really amazing!" said Mayor Bloomberg, who was among the crowd assembled on the tunnel floor to watch as the job was finished.
    Sandhogs and other construction workers let out a loud cheer upon the tunnel's completion.
    NY Post: Chad Rachman
    'BORING' IS EXCITING: Sandhogs celebrate their dramatic breakthrough on the No. 7 train tunnel yesterday.
    Some celebrated by crawling from the boring machine's cockpit through an opening on the front of its flat-faced drill bit -- becoming the first to travel through the tunnel's full length.
    Twin boring machines began digging out the double-tube tunnel in February 2009 below 11th Avenue near 26th Street.
    Surveyors pinpointed the machines' depth so closely, the machine that made the final breakthrough yesterday in the tunnel's western tube broke exactly through a target workers had painted on granite.
    The $2.1 billion project, which will connect the current line to a station on 11th Avenue and West 34th Street near the Javits Center and the planned Hudson Yards development, is on track for opening in December 2013, officials say.

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    I was just posting to ask where the TBM was [schedule was for 8th Ave by June].

    The window for the 10th Ave station will quickly close. They should at least carve out the shell.

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    Real estate players pay up for No. 7 line

    Developers and builders combine to put up $250,000 in bid to resurrect plans for a station on the extension of No. 7 line at West 41st Street and Tenth Avenue.

    By Theresa Agovino
    The real estate and construction industries are putting their money where their mouths are.
    Members of both sectors have agreed to put up a total of $250,000 in an attempt to win a $3 million grant from the federal government that would help resurrect the plan to put a subway station at West 41st Street and Tenth Avenue as part of the extension of the No. 7 subway line. Real estate executives have been lobbying to restore the station, which they say is critical for the ongoing development of the West Side. Construction executives say the project would create much-needed jobs.

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    November 16, 2010

    New York Studies Extending Subway Line to New Jersey

    Ever since Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey killed an expensive plan for a new commuter rail tunnel to Manhattan, the Bloomberg administration has been working on an alternative: run the No. 7 subway train under the Hudson River.

    The plan envisions the No. 7 stretching from 34th Street on the Far West Side of Manhattan to Secaucus, N.J., where there is a connection to New Jersey Transit trains. It would extend the New York City subway outside the city for the first time, giving New Jersey commuters direct access to Times Square, Grand Central Terminal and Queens, and to almost every line in the system.

    Like the project scuttled by Mr. Christie, this proposed tunnel would expand a regional transportation system already operating at capacity and would double the number of trains traveling between the two states during peak hours. But it would do so at about half the cost, an estimated $5.3 billion, according to a closely guarded, four-page memorandum circulated by the city’s Hudson Yards Development Corporation.

    Unlike the old project, the new plan does not require costly condemnation proceedings or extensive tunneling in Manhattan, because the city is already building a No. 7 station at 34th Street and 11th Avenue, roughly one block from the waterfront. In July, a massive 110-ton tunnel boring machine completed drilling for the city’s $2.1 billion extension of the No. 7 line from Times Square to the new station.

    Still, the proposal faces a number of daunting political, financial and logistical hurdles in an era of diminishing public resources. Mr. Christie, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Governor-elect Andrew M. Cuomo of New York would have to agree to make the tunnel a high priority and work in lock step to obtain the city, state and federal funds needed to make it happen.

    “Extending the 7 line to New Jersey could address many of the region’s transportation capacity issues at a fraction of the original tunnel’s cost, but the idea is still in its earliest stages,” said Andrew Brent, a spokesman for the deputy mayor for economic development, Robert K. Steel. “Like others, we’re looking at — and open to discussing — any creative, fiscally responsible alternatives.”

    Mr. Christie had not yet received a formal briefing on the idea, but his office said it was curious to hear more.

    “We’ve been open to ideas for solving the trans-Hudson dilemma, ideas that are affordable and fair amongst the interested jurisdictions,” said Michael Drewniak, a spokesman for Mr. Christie.

    Last month, Mr. Christie, a Republican, put an end to the long-planned Hudson rail tunnel project after the estimated cost climbed to at least $11 billion, from an initial $8.7 billion. The project would have created two new tracks for New Jersey Transit from Secaucus to a new station deep under 34th Street, near Pennsylvania Station. The federal Transportation Department had pledged $3 billion, as had the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. But New Jersey was responsible for the rest of the money.

    The federal transportation secretary, Ray LaHood, described Mr. Christie’s decision as “a devastating blow to thousands of workers, millions of commuters and the state’s economic future.”

    The two sides are now wrangling over Mr. LaHood’s demand that New Jersey repay $271 million the federal government has spent on the project.

    City officials had initially hoped that they could recapture the $3 billion pledged by the federal government, but that no longer seems possible, and the project will most likely have to compete with others around the country for the money. A spokesman for Mr. LaHood declined to comment on the proposal on Tuesday.

    Another obstacle is the lengthy environmental review required of such projects, but officials are hoping to be able to use much of the work already done for the tunnel that was killed.

    And it is unclear whether New Jersey is willing to redirect to the No. 7 train project the money it had originally intended for the tunnel plan, which was known as Access to the Region’s Core, or ARC. “The issue again will come down to, what will Governor Christie say,” said Jeffrey M. Zupan, senior fellow for transportation of the Regional Plan Association.

    It is very likely that the Port Authority would have to be involved, since it has condemnation powers in both New York and New Jersey, unlike the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which oversees the city’s subways.

    Lawrence S. Schwartz, the top aide to Gov. David A. Paterson, said Tuesday that the Bloomberg administration had not yet formally presented the plan to Mr. Paterson but that similar ideas had been discussed in the past. The governor, Mr. Schwartz said, was “intrigued” by the broad outlines of the administration’s plan and looked forward to hearing more details.

    “Getting cars off the road, reducing congestion and providing another access point for commuters between New York and New Jersey is going to benefit the region from a job-creation and development standpoint,” Mr. Schwartz said.

    A spokesman for Mr. Cuomo said that the proposal had recently been circulated to the governor-elect’s transition team but that there had been no high-level discussions so far.

    Aside from relieving congestion on the rails, the proposal also would benefit New York’s real estate industry, because it would include an $800 million subway station at 10th Avenue and 42nd Street, an area with limited public transportation and a number of new residential towers. The station was part of the Bloomberg administration’s plan for the No. 7 extension, but was cut to trim costs.

    And the project would almost certainly serve as a boon for the planned $15 billion Hudson Yards residential and office development, to be built on platforms over the West Side railyards. That project has been stymied by the recession and an absence of demand for new residential and commercial space.

    Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, expressed his support for the plan.

    “This is a bold idea that must be given serious and immediate consideration,” Mr. Schumer said. “Building the ARC tunnel and extending the 7 line for a second stop are both critical to growing the New York economy for the coming decades, and I will fight to deliver any available federal funds to make that happen.”

    At a reception in Manhattan on Monday night, Stephen M. Ross, chief executive of Related Companies and the developer for the Hudson Yards project, spoke to Mr. LaHood enthusiastically about the idea of running the No. 7 to New Jersey.

    “I think it’s a great idea and it could save a ton of money,” Mr. Ross said Tuesday.

    Patrick McGeehan contributed reporting.
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