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    Quote Originally Posted by kliq6 View Post
    no it has not, phase one has been awarded and the other phases are out there now
    It's al talk, there's no actual construction going on - nor will there be for awhile until the new governor takes office and even then all the contracts will have to be rebid. It's the same story for all the major projects, this one is no different. It will take atleast 7-9 months for the construction to begin mark my words, nothing moves slower in new york city than government financed capital projects.

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    Those those bought new condos in projects like Atelier on far West side are probably drinking champaigne and celebrating right now.

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    I haven't read all the backposts, but there may be a point you're missing. Since the site is essentially owned by the state (the MTA being a state agency), they could likely develop it without city input or oversite. If the city bought it, that would not be the case. I think that was a big part of the reason for the proposal.

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    It was a dumb idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpice View Post
    Those those bought new condos in projects like Atelier on far West side are probably drinking champaigne and celebrating right now.
    I don't know - looks like the station @ 42nd & 10th may not be funded

    from NY1

    "Some concerns about the project remain, like the fact that a station planned for Tenth Avenue and 41st Street, partway along the new line, may not be built until later, even though the MTA has said delaying construction could increase the cost by $200 million. "

    http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index...esult=1&stid=5

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    There are still some units left at the Atelier for those who want to join in the champaigne celebration.

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    7 line plan hits riders, city's told

    BY PETE DONOHUE
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

    The planned extension of the No. 7 line will be a one-stop stub that stiffs most riders, say advocates and elected officials who want City Hall to do a more complete project.

    The extension, which the Metropolitan Transportation Authority is building with city funds, will stretch from Times Square to 34th St. and 11th Ave., near the Jacob Javits Convention Center.

    Only the shell of a station - to be completed at some unspecified date in the future - will be built at 41st and 10th Ave. A working station is not planned now because the MTA - which has other higher-priority projects - wants to stay within the $2.1 billion budget the city has pledged to provide.

    "The plan is not particularly well-thought-through," said Assemblyman Richard Brodsky (D-Westchester).

    Not only will scores of potential riders not benefit from the one-stop extension, but the MTA will be on the hook for cost overruns, Brodsky said. The budget includes a $100 million reserve, but already some MTA staffers say about $50 million of that may have to be used, Brodsky said.

    In a letter to Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, Brodsky said the 10th Ave. station would cost $250 million if done now. That would rise to $500 million if delayed because future labor, material and other costs will be higher, he said.

    Officials say they hope the extension will be completed in 2012.

    Andrew Albert, a nonvoting member of the MTA board and chairman of the New York City Transit Riders Council, is trying to rally elected officials to get the 10th Ave. station back into the plans. Residents and businesses in that area deserve a stop at least as much as businessmen and tourists who use the convention center, he said.

    MTA CEO and Executive Director Elliot Sander said the authority will review Brodsky's letter and concerns. A spokesman for Silver said the speaker is monitoring the situation.

    John Gallagher, spokesman for Deputy Mayor Dan Doctoroff, Mayor Bloomberg's development czar, touted the No. 7 extension as planned as "an economic development engine that will generate hundreds of thousands of construction and permanent jobs, billions of dollars of new tax revenues for the city and state, and hundreds of millions of dollars for the MTA through the sale of its real estate assets."

    Originally published on January 11, 2007

    © 2007 Daily News, L.P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
    In a letter to Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, Brodsky said the 10th Ave. station would cost $250 million if done now. That would rise to $500 million if delayed because future labor, material and other costs will be higher, he said.
    Lol.

    I don't know if Brodsky is aware or not, but pleading for Silver's help on this project is like asking the Big Bad Wolf to watch over Little Red Riding Hood and to make sure she is safe and secure (yeah right!).

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    Some places, they agonize for years about building a subway.

    Some places they just build them:




    And it's not even totalitarian China !



    Thanks to urbanflyer, SSP for the pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
    Lol.

    I don't know if Brodsky is aware or not, but pleading for Silver's help on this project is like asking the Big Bad Wolf to watch over Little Red Riding Hood and to make sure she is safe and secure (yeah right!).
    yeah no kidding, watch as Silver tries to kill the project because he's waiting for a "more complete plan".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeW View Post
    I haven't read all the backposts, but there may be a point you're missing. Since the site is essentially owned by the state (the MTA being a state agency), they could likely develop it without city input or oversite. If the city bought it, that would not be the case. I think that was a big part of the reason for the proposal.
    I didn't miss that point.

    For projects of this size, the legal aspect that the state can develop it without city input ignores political reality. Atlantic Yards is owned by the MTA. No local input?

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    AMNY

    Hell's Kitchen residents fight for subway stop

    By Justin Rocket Silverman and Chuck Bennett
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    January 22, 2007
    The MTA is playing a "shell" game with the No. 7 extension that it will regret for years to come, agency officials and transit advocates warn.

    Late last year, the MTA quietly dropped plans to create a new station at 10th Avenue and 41st Street because of budget worries. Instead, the extension will create just one stop, at 10th Avenue and 34th Street, and a "shell" of a station for future development at 41st Street.

    That's an outrage, MTA watchers say, because it cheats residents and businesses of a much-needed stop.

    "Do it as you build the line or it will never get done otherwise," said Andrew Albert, a nonvoting rider representative on the MTA board.

    Albert and the New York City Transit Riders Council are scheduled to hold a news conference Monday morning along with elected officials to demand the creation of the 41st Street station.

    "Thousands of people live in the area. They deserve a station," Albert said. "Its an insult to watch the trains whiz by your neighborhood."

    Even worse Albert said, the MTA's own bean counters estimate, that if they build the 41st Street station now it would cost $200 million, but to wait several years to build it the cost could easily top $400 million.

    Last November, the MTA said it will only build a "shell" of a station that could be converted into a functioning station at some point in the future.

    City Hall, whose main concern is providing subway service to its West Side Yard development plan, is providing $2.1 billion, but the MTA is on the hook for the inevitable cost overruns.

    Albert said City Hall should use its budget windfall to create the station. The one-stop extension is scheduled for completion in 2012 with construction scheduled to start in December this year.

    Newly installed MTA executive director Elliot "Lee" Sander has earlier this month that he will review the concerns about the 10th Avenue station.

    Residents and local business owners were miffed at being stiffed out of a new station.

    "For the people in the neighborhood, it's a huge injustice that they are not going to put a subway stop here," said Bob Leventhal, owner of the 42nd Street Wine Loft at the corner of 10th Avenue. "The people here deserve it."

    Hell's Kitchen resident John Hoover, 80, said its unfair to be bypassed.

    "The people here need it," he said. "I have to walk 15 minutes to the Port Authority every time I want to get a train."


    Copyright 2007 Newsday Inc.

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    The residents are right that it will be a long time before the shell station is turned into an operational station.

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    This might be another MTA bluff, like the "decision" to eliminate the link at Fulton Street. They'll find the funds under a rock. Maybe Spitzer will provide the rock?

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    Could this be part of "scheme" by which the developer of the now-empty block at 42nd / 10th will be compelled to chip in for the station?

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    ^ interesting thought. that's the same developer who tried to pass of cirquer du soleil as a small, private theatre group, right?

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