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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecity View Post
    Right, the meat packing district needs a stop. That would be a good idea.
    8th Ave and 14th is close enough.

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    In the spirit of 2+2=22, how about this. There are people (like our departed Mayor Bloomberg and others) who want to run the 7 train out to NJ. In a separate issue, the PA has decided that the Port Authority Bus Terminal is reaching the end of its useful life, and needs to be replaced.

    So, how about this wacky idea: Build a new PABT, in NJ. Run the 7 train across the river, to service this new bus terminal. Wouldn't it be nice to eliminate the need to bring 8000 diesel buses into the city every day. Would it be nice to get rid the hulk of the PABT and it's approaches wasting vast amounts of land, and blighting vast chunks of midtown west.

    Pay for the project, at least in part, but leasing the land taken up by the PABT, it's ramps, and land that could be opened up by building platforms over the approaches to the Lincoln Tunnel. Use the lease revenue to pay off bonds to build the train line and new terminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBMW View Post
    So, how about this wacky idea: Build a new PABT, in NJ. Run the 7 train across the river, to service this new bus terminal. Wouldn't it be nice to eliminate the need to bring 8000 diesel buses into the city every day.
    I think that should certainly be studied as an alternative. The PA station land could be sold to developers to help with the costs. One concern would be capacity. I don't have the numbers but they would have to determine that a 7 train leaving every 3-4 minutes could accommodate all the disembarking passengers plus the non-bus riding commuters. There shouldn't be too many complaints from the riders because it's a slow ride across the tunnel and the train would probably faster (most have to hop onto a subway anyways). The losers would be those who work within walking distance of 8th & 42nd

    A bigger concern though is where do you put the Jersey station? It needs to be a location with access, space and ramps for an ungodly amount of buses which is no small feat

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    Isn't there already a NJT Train that runs from Seacaucus to Penn?

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    I identified two locations. One is pretty obvious, and that's the Meadowlands. It sits at the junction of NJTP western spur and RT 3. I would think that the majority of the buses going down 495 into the tunnel either go on those routes, or could easily be rerouted to do so. Also, the site has a vast amount of parking that's usually empty every weekday. Not to mention, this would be great to service NYers who want to go to the Meadowlands for events.

    The perfect location on the site would be where the Xanadu/American Dream complex is located. If Xandau had quietly gone belly up as it should have, this would be a no brainer. But with the mall going up, it's more problematic.

    The other location is not so well known. At the intersection of the NJTP eastern spur, Rt 3, and 495, there is a development with a Home Depot, a Chain hotel, and what look like a vacant big retail space. This would be a great place for the bus terminal. But it wouldn't accommodate a lot of parking for commuter who want to drive to the station themselves (and that might not be such a bad thing.)

    Both of these are pretty much a straight shot west from the current end of the 7 line. The new extension would have to thread between the Lincoln tunnel and the Amtrak tunnel. But there should be plenty of clearance to do that. The whole line would stay underground. No new stations would be necessary on the city side.

    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    I think that should certainly be studied as an alternative. The PA station land could be sold to developers to help with the costs. One concern would be capacity. I don't have the numbers but they would have to determine that a 7 train leaving every 3-4 minutes could accommodate all the disembarking passengers plus the non-bus riding commuters. There shouldn't be too many complaints from the riders because it's a slow ride across the tunnel and the train would probably faster (most have to hop onto a subway anyways). The losers would be those who work within walking distance of 8th & 42nd

    A bigger concern though is where do you put the Jersey station? It needs to be a location with access, space and ramps for an ungodly amount of buses which is no small feat
    It goes from Secaucus junction. And it goes though the already overused Amtrak tunnels. If you tried to unload the buses there, it comes a three fare commute. I think that wouldn't fly, and that line is already pretty saturated at rush hour.

    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer View Post
    Isn't there already a NJT Train that runs from Seacaucus to Penn?
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    I was at the 34th St. station last week for the first time. It is done very nicely, although I was surprised at the amount of water damage on the ceiling already. This was mainly on the escalator tunnel and lobby entry, where mineral ground water is dripping onto the dropped ceiling and staining it with rust colored streaks. Also, 2 of the 4 escalators were out of order. Other than that it was well done. It's your typical modern construction with metal and clean surfaces, which makes the brand new wooden seat benches on the platform seem out of place. That platform is extra wide, it should be at Times Square because that's the station that really needs it

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    leaks, icicles, puddles, broken escalators & bathrooms
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/ny...mta-board.html

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    $2.4 Billion Subway Stop Was Leaking Before It Opened

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/ny...ay-station.html

    It was New York City’s first new subway station in a quarter century, and officials and riders marked the opening of the Hudson Yards station in September with much fanfare.
    But less than six months later, riders began to notice water leaking from above. Puddles appeared on the floor. Icicles dangled from the ceiling.
    At a meeting last week, board members demanded to know how theMetropolitan Transportation Authority could have spent $2.4 billion on a project that leaks.
    In fact, leaks had plagued the station on the Far West Side of Manhattan for years while it was under construction. As the transit agency investigates what exactly went wrong, documents from a continuing legal dispute among the site’s contractors reveal early concerns about how the waterproofing system was built and the type of concrete that was used.
    The main contractor, Yonkers Contracting Company, has blamed flaws in shotcrete, a spray-on concrete that lines the waterproofing system. The concrete was filled with “voids” or spaces, according to a 2014 lawsuit the company filed against two subcontractors on the project.
    But a 2011 letter that was sent to Yonkers Contracting discouraged the use of shotcrete because it could increase the potential for leaks. The letter, which was obtained by The New York Times, was sent from Cetco Building Materials to KJC Waterproofing, the subcontractor that installed the waterproofing system.
    KJC Waterproofing forwarded the letter to Yonkers Contracting, according to a deposition from the lawsuit. It is unclear whether the letter was sent to the transportation authority.
    The transit agency halted construction at the station in 2013 after officials found “significant” leaks there. The agency issued a stop-work order, citing the use of shotcrete on overhead arches above the escalators and noting it had not been specified in the design.

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    How many months now since the opening (1.5 years?), and they still don't have the second entrance opened? It doesn't even look close to completion

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