View Poll Results: Is Pat Robertson a Religious Extremist and Terrorist?

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  • Why, yes, he is. Now let me get back to my oblivion.

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  • No. He was just loitering on camera in his dirty diaper, waiting to be changed.

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  • Yes. There is no difference between a Pat Robertson and an Osama Bin Laden.

    6 37.50%
  • No. Drudge Report and Fox News say it wasn't his voice coming out of his mouth on the unedited film.

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  • Wait! Pat Robertson is still alive? Apparently he's not rotting in hell as I once wished.

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Thread: Pat Robertson - Christian Fundamentalist and Terrorist?

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    Pat Robertson, CBN Anchor and host of the wildly popular and factually inaccurate 700 Club, called for the assassination (i.e. MURDER) of the president of Venezuela. What makes his issuance of this "fatwa" different than any muslim extremist? How do we differentiate him from the definition of "terrorist" that our government has issued? Should he be sent to Gitmo? Or, would you prefer Abu Guhraib?

    If there was a Crusade today who would win, Christians or Muslims?

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    August 24, 2005
    Robertson Suggests U.S. Kill Venezuela's Leader
    By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

    Pat Robertson, the conservative Christian broadcaster, has attracted attention over the years for lambasting feminists, "activist" judges, the United Nations and Disneyland.

    Now Mr. Robertson has set off an international firestorm by saying on his television show that the United States should kill the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, a leftist whose country has the largest oil reserves outside the Middle East.

    "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Mr. Robertson said Monday on his show, "The 700 Club." "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

    Yesterday Mr. Robertson's statements were denounced by both the State Department and by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. In Caracas, he was criticized by the vice president of Venezuela, and in Havana by President Fidel Castro.

    Vice President José Vicente Rangel of Venezuela said: "This is a huge hypocrisy to maintain an antiterrorist line and at the same time have such terrorist statements as these made by Christian preacher Pat Robertson coming from the same country."

    Mr. Rumsfeld dismissed Mr. Robertson's remark on assassination, saying: "Certainly it's against the law. Our department doesn't do that type of thing." He added, "Private citizens say all kinds of things all the time."

    Sean McCormack, a State Department spokesman, called Mr. Robertson's comments "inappropriate."

    Mr. Robertson, who is 75, ran for president as a Republican in 1988. He has often used his show and the political advocacy group he founded, the Christian Coalition, to support President Bush.

    Bernardo Álvarez, the Venezuelan ambassador in Washington, said: "Mr. Robertson has been one of the president's staunchest allies. His statement demands the strongest condemnation by the White House."

    Some of Mr. Robertson's allies distanced themselves from his comments. The Rev. Rob Schenck, president of the National Clergy Council, released a statement saying Mr. Robertson should "immediately apologize, retract his statement and clarify what the Bible and Christianity teaches about the permissibility of taking human life outside of law."

    The Rev. Richard Cizik of the National Association of Evangelicals said he and "most evangelical leaders" would disassociate themselves from such "unfortunate and particularly irresponsible" comments.

    "It complicates circumstances for foreign missionaries and Christian aid workers overseas who are already perceived, wrongly, especially by leftists and other leaders, as collaborators with U.S. intelligence agencies," Mr. Cizik added.

    But other conservative Christian organizations remained silent, with leaders at the Traditional Values Coalition, the Family Research Council and the Christian Coalition saying they were too busy to comment.

    A spokeswoman for Mr. Robertson said yesterday that he was not giving interviews and had no further comment.

    The Rev. Jesse Jackson called for the Federal Communications Commission to investigate, just as it did when Janet Jackson's breast was exposed in the Super Bowl broadcast in 2004. "This is even more threatening to hemispheric stability than the flash of a breast on television during a ballgame," Mr. Jackson said.

    One liberal watchdog group, Media Matters for America, sent a letter urging the ABC Family network to stop carrying Mr. Robertson's show. Another group, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, asked Mr. Bush to repudiate Mr. Robertson personally.

    Mr. Robertson's show is broadcast by ABC Family, which agreed to televise it as part of the deal it made in 2001 to buy Fox Family Worldwide, which previously broadcast it.

    In a statement yesterday, ABC Family said the company was "contractually obligated to air 'The 700 Club' and has no editorial control over views expressed by the hosts or guests." It added, "ABC Family strongly rejects the views expressed by Pat Robertson."

    Mr. Chávez, who won office in 1998, has become the Bush administration's most vocal antagonist in Latin America, accusing Mr. Bush of terrorism for the Iraq war and of trying to impoverish developing countries by pushing market reforms. Mr. Chávez has often accused the United States of trying to assassinate him. The White House welcomed a coup against him in April 2002, but Mr. Chávez quickly regained power.

    Yesterday, Mr. Chávez was visiting Mr. Castro in Havana, and shrugged off Mr. Robertson's comments. But Mr. Castro said of the Robertson remark, "I think only God can punish crimes of such magnitude."

    Mr. Robertson's comments immediately followed a segment about Venezuela. Speaking live in the studio, Mr. Robertson said Mr. Chávez had "destroyed the Venezuelan economy" and was turning the country into "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."

    "We have the ability to take him out," he said, "and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion dollar war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator."

    Mr. Robertson's television show has an audience of about one million people, according to his Web site.

    Mr. Robertson has a history of getting attention for inflammatory remarks. In May he said the threat to the United States from activist judges was "probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings." In 1998, he warned that hurricanes and other natural disasters would sweep down on Orlando, Fla., because gay men and lesbians were flocking to Disney World on special "gay days." And he has often denounced the United Nations as a first step toward a dangerous "one world government."

    Juan Forero contributed reporting from Bogotá, Colombia, for this article.



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    Robertson is a pathetic opportunist, playing to American's most base instincts.

    Now he is trying to claim that he never said what the recording shows he said ("I didn't mean assassinate Chavez, I meant kidnap him"). Either course would be illegal, but Robertson seemingly has no regard for the law.

    Someone should change his diaper and put him to bed.

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    Someone should "Take HIM out".

    Oh, I didn't mean assasinate, there are other ways to take someone out besides killing them....


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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    Robertson is a pathetic opportunist, playing to American's most base instincts.

    Now he is trying to claim that he never said what the recording shows he said ("I didn't mean assassinate Chavez, I meant kidnap him").
    Either way it's a Fatawa from him, ain't it?

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    What would Jesus do, assassinate Chavez or just kidnap him? Just send Pat your money and he'll pray for either, just like when he prays for more openings on the Supreme Court (read: that liberal judges die).

    There's those conservative "values" again.

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    I love hearing someone rail for the murder of world leaders on the ABC Family Channel.

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    War and violence are cool for kids to learn about - especially black/white us/them violence where the good guys (us, duh) win and you don't have to see the dirty results. Look at GI Joe, transformers, etc. This is far from the most child-damaging thing Robertson has spewed, though the direct corrolation to Osama is particularly satisfying.

    Christianity has been used to justify many wars. I can't think of one war that Christianity ended.

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    Venezuela to seek legal action against Robertson
    29 Aug 2005 02:34:50 GMT
    Source: Reuters

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N2886425.htm

    By Matthew Robinson

    CARACAS, Venezuela, Aug 28 (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday his government would take legal action against Pat Robertson and potentially seek his extradition after the U.S. evangelist called for Washington to assassinate the South American leader.

    Robertson, who later apologized for the remark, said he was expressing his frustration with Chavez's constant accusations against the administration of President George W. Bush.

    "I announce that my government is going to take legal action in the United States ... to call for the assassination of a head of state is an act of terrorism." Chavez said in a televised speech.

    The fiery left-wing critic of Bush's foreign policy who frequently charges the U.S. government is plotting to kill him, called Robertson "crazy" and a "public menace."

    He said Venezuela could seek Robertson's extradition under international treaties and take its claim to the United Nations if the Bush administration did not act.

    Robertson, the founder of the Christian Coalition and a leader of the Christian right that has backed Bush, said on Monday that if Chavez "thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

    U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said political assassination was against the law and was not U.S. policy.

    Relations between Chavez and the United States, the top buyer of the OPEC nation's oil, have deteriorated since Chavez survived a brief 2002 coup he says was backed by U.S. authorities. Washington says it is not plotting to kill Chavez and denies involvement in the coup.

    Chavez said on Friday Bush would be to blame if anything happened to him. In the past, he has said Venezuela, the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, would cut sales to the United States if he was assassinated.

    A close ally of communist Cuba, Chavez presents his self-proclaimed revolution as an alternative to U.S. policies in the region.

    Washington says Chavez is a negative influence who uses oil profits to fund anti-democratic groups in South America while becoming more authoritarian at home.

    U.S. civil rights activist Jesse Jackson, visiting Venezuela on Sunday, called Robertson's remarks "immoral" and rejected U.S. government claims against Chavez. (Additional reporting by Tomas Sarmiento)

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    ^ Funny.


    Thing is, I think we probably DID have something to do with, or at least some tacit knowledge of, the attempted coup.

    It would not surprise me in the least. I am not saying that Chavez is a nice guy or anything, but that is one big dirty pool of fish there. Just about every one has something in its gut that should not be there.

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    The US was totally behind the coup. When they held new elections, the US government had "polls" predicting Chavez had lost by a landslide. He, in fact, had won by a landslide and, if everyone remembers, there was a very long general strike by the people to make the country accept the election results.

    We need some Venezuelans in Ohio or Florida.

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    On the day of the coup I saw Republican pollster / linguist / Orwellian-double-speaker Frank Luntz on the TV cheering the coup. The reporter asked him how he had so much info, and Luntz basically said "If I gave you that info then I'd have to kill you", the standard CIA-type of repsonse meaning "I know a lot, but not gonna tell".

    The coup was backed by our tax money and was an utter failure.

    The reason for the desired coup: oil (and possibly the "war" on cocaine, although cocaine is always the excuse used to cover up some other reason).
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    Chavez and Robertson should be assassinated.

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    I like Chavez. I guess its my socialist leanings...

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    Hey, lets get them both in the Octagon....


    I think Pat has a chance...... IN HELL!!!!

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    So when is Robertson going to be deported?

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