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    Unfortunately it tends to bring double parking etc.

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    Well...then we must forbid everything that can even remotely make citylife inconveniencing, shouldn't we?

    This city needs to be thinned out.

    One person per square mile!

    No more crowds or traffic. Lots of open space and air for every man, woman and child.

    Give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stache View Post
    Unfortunately it tends to bring double parking etc.
    that's really the main reason why they don't want retail? That seems awfully picky. Also seems off if the entrance to that retail will be on west st. Why would they care? It is basically a highway there

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    From curbed (a couple of months back) ...




    We've been on a desperate search for renderings of the residential development that's going to rise where the Superior Ink building in the far West Village is coming down. Lo, a Christmastime miracle! Via this photo, taken at a Community Board 2 meeting last week, we score our first glimpse at the Robert A. M. Stern-designed 15-story building (left) and its accompanying three-story townhouse row on Bethune Street (right). More details, per City Realty:
    The new design has more masonry than the previous design that employed a lot of glass. Apartments are smaller but the number has increased from 64 to 84 and commercial space on the ground floor of the tower has been eliminated and basements have been added to the townhouses that will now have different rather than similar facades.
    Glass out, masonry in? That's a trend for 2007 we can live with. Too bad the design here is dull as used sandpaper. Regardless, this baby's a go: CB2 unanimously approved Stern's design last Thursday.

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    Anyone have an update on this development and when they will start selling?

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    New renderings from the buildings website:



    Not really digging these townhouses:


    Curbed coverage:
    http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/...s_revealed.php

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    I think that the tower is ok. Stern has done MUCH better work, but I really like the townhouses.

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    The site actually has prices....$10M+ for the townhouses. I really hope they get the layouts right on this one

    The views from the rooftops of the townhouses will be sweet.

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    Views from roof of the townhouses won't be all that sweet -- WestBeth is just across the street and rises to the same height as the new Superior tower (15 - 16 stories) so the view corridor will be fairly narrow to the west. Sunlight on the front of these townhouses as shown in the rendering will only occur the last hour or two before sunset -- and in winter might not reach those south-facing doors / windows at all.

    The rendering of the tower looks a bit like the Trump Riverside stuff -- but at the prices mentioned and with Stern's prior record no doubt the materials and detailing will be far superior ( ) to anything Trump does.

    All in all it's very staid and staunch -- and what we expect from Stern.

    I personally prefer the smaller brick building just to the north -- it went up as a brand new development about 10 years ago and contains some very choice residential units, but it looks like an older industrial building that went through adaptive re-use. Perfect fit for this stretch.

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    Better than a lot of stuff but...

    I find the townhouses nice but a little odd. Aren't far West Village townhouses much more simple?

    The big building doesn't quite pull it off. It's nostalgia but nostalgia for exactly what? (side-street level nice though).

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    Here's the north side of WestBeth along Bethune Street that those
    townhouses will look up to (showing it back in the day when
    the High Line still ran through the eastern end) ...


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    I think the whole thing looks good.

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    Related releases Robert A. M. Stern's
    Superior Ink design

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    june 22, 2007

    The Related Companies has released two new renderings of its large residential project on the former site of the Superior Ink Company at 469 West Street, which is also known as 70 Bethune Street, in the West Village.



    Related had originally proposed a 270-foot-high, 23-story structure with residential condominiums for the site and that design was similar in its configuration to its development at 445 Lafayette Street designed by Gwathmey Siegel.

    In 2005, Related went to the Board of Standards & Appeals for a variance for a 20-story and three-story mixed-use project with a 6.5 F.A.R. for 469 West Street/70 Bethune Street on a lot zoned for manufacturing and a 5 floor-to-area ratio (F.A.R.). Gwathmey Siegel & Associates was the architect for the project.

    The project outraged preservationists who had desperately tried to save the old factory building and its 195-foot-tall smokestacks, urging the city to include the site in the West Village rezoning and historic district landmark districts. Community Board 2 voted against the project on the basis that all the findings necessary to obtain a variance had not been met and that its scale was out of context for the area.

    In January 2006, Related modified the design and won a variance, which was amended in January 2007, for a 15-story tower on West Street with a three-story townhouse row on Bethune Street, with a maximum height of 186 feet 9 inches, including a bulkhead on the tower roof, and setbacks of 10 feet on West Street and 15 feet on Bethune Street. (Three residential towers with mostly glass facades that were designed by Richard Meier a few blocks to the south on West Street have a height of 199 feet.)

    The Related project is known now as Superior Ink Condominiums and Townhouses and the site is just to the north of Westbeth.

    The new plans were designed by Robert A. M. Stern, who has worked on previous residential buildings for Related. Mr. Stern is the dean of the Yale University School of Architecture and a co-author of the monumental series on New York architecture and planning including "New York 1880," "New York, 1900," "New York, 1930," "New York, 1960," and the recently published "New York, 2000."

    The new design has more masonry than the previous design that employed a lot of glass and it made the townhouses "independent of each other."

    Apartments are smaller but the number has increased from 64 to 84 and commercial space on the ground floor of the tower has been eliminated and basements have been added to the townhouses that will now have different rather than similar facades.

    On West Street, the development will have a three-story base with arched windows on the third floor and another setback on the fifth floor where the windows will be arched and a tower with arched corner windows topped by a setback 15th floor. One of the new renderings indicates that the red-brick townhouses will have 12-paned windows and some of them have two-stories of bay windows and some have stoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio View Post
    I find the townhouses nice but a little odd. Aren't far West Village townhouses much more simple?

    The big building doesn't quite pull it off. It's nostalgia but nostalgia for exactly what? (side-street level nice though).
    Sums up my thoughts. The townhouses don't relate well to that area at all, and the tower is underwhelming. The composite works though so it's a decent development.

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