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    I'd love to see this built, but given Moinian's financial problems, this does not seem likely.

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    Now myabe some can explain this disconnect for me. This tower with no distinct top, or at least worthy of writing home about, (in fact I happen to think that it is garbage architecture; specially up top) gets no oversight or chopped size suggestions from a moron like Sam Burden. i. e.:
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    Burdened! Jean Novel Tower Expected to Feel Planning Commish’s 200-Foot Chomp

    By Eliot Brown
    September 8, 2009 | 7:18 p.m

    DCP.
    Amanda Burden.

    Amanda Burden apparently doesn’t want to get Ratnered by MoMA.
    Burned by a post-approval architect swap at Bruce Ratner’s Atlantic Yards project—the Brooklyn developer dropped Frank Gehry and his iconic basketball arena earlier this year—the chairwoman of the City Planning Commission is going to new lengths to see that she’s not the victim of a future bait-and-switch.

    The first to experience this new approach are MoMA and Texas developer Hines Interests, which are planning a slender, pointy, 1,250-foot skyscraper adjacent to the West 53rd Street museum. Designed by Jean Nouvel, the tall, bald, soft-speaking French architect who last year received architecture’s Pritzker Prize, the much-praised tower would soar above midtown with hotel rooms and ridiculously pricey apartments filling its Empire State Building–like height.

    But the design needs the assent of Ms. Burden’s Planning Commission.

    And, on Sept. 9, it’s slated to take some major actions on the building. Most notably: Ms. Burden and her colleagues are expected to take a gigantic 200-foot bite off the height of Mr. Nouvel’s baby, and, according to an executive involved with discussions, layer on a set of regulations aimed at handcuffing the developer to its current design.

    Generally, developers receive approvals for a building’s basics—density, height and massing—but they are typically not held to their specific designs or architecture. In the case of Mr. Ratner, after he went before Ms. Burden for her assent in 2006, he had only to follow basic “design guidelines” that called for items such as some glass walls along the street.

    (This was a state process in which Ms. Burden had a more peripheral role.)

    Thus, when he dropped Mr. Gehry earlier this year, Mr. Ratner was free to dramatically change the Nets basketball arena to a cheaper, more functional design.

    The swap was said to have incensed Ms. Burden, who is known to approach many projects that come before her with a heavy, detail-focused hand.

    Indeed, with regard to the MoMA tower, she said at a July hearing that the issue of potential design change was “bedeviling” her.

    “You have an extraordinarily talented architect and a very dynamic and, for me personally, a thrilling design,” she said, according to a transcript.

    “However, what is to assure me and the commissioners and the city that this glorious design isn’t going to turn into the as-of-right massing, which would be a calamity?”

    As for the 200-foot chop, it seems Ms. Burden and her staff were less than thrilled about the looks of the air conditioning and other mechanicals atop the tower in the current design. Per a City Planning statement issued Sept. 8, the top, with what would be the city’s highest occupied floors, was marked by “highly visible mechanical equipment”—apparently enough to cost the developer the super-tall crown.

    ebrown@observer.com

    http://www.observer.com/2009/real-estate/burdened-jean-novel-tower-expected-feel-planning-commish%E2%80%99s-200-foot-chomp

    Copyright The New York Observer.

    Yet this glass monotenous mostrocity is not only gong to go up much closer than the MoMA tower but it is going to obliterate the skyline views of the ESB from the west. Albeit shorter than the ESB the fact that is much closer will ensure that this tower will have a graver impact in elimnating it from the skyline views...MUCH more so than the MoMA tower.

    So why does that schmuck get to alter something that is contextual to NYC and ESB yet this "Girasole" flattop junk gets no reconsideration of its design??? Why??

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    Because it's as-of right. Only when you need special approvals will city agencies nitpick it to death.

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    This is what you call a failed system.

    It embodies so many of the characteristics of any failed system, be it a political system or a business system or a computer system:

    1) Different rules for different objects, even when those objects are for all intents and purposes of the same class
    2) Openness to abuse-by-tinkering
    3) In need of constant fixing

    NY is definitely in need of an overhaul of its zoning regulations that would create a more auto-correcting system and do away with the absurdities that allow McSam to build urinals across the city but prevent Nouvel's tower from rising, or allow an extra 200' of height in exchange for a streetlevel-destroying windswept plaza ... as if it's a benefit to the city. Oh, and moving zoning from being based around height restrictions to something based around girth/width restrictions, as ablarc has advocated, would be an important first step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stroika View Post
    Oh, and moving zoning from being based around height restrictions to something based around girth/width restrictions, as ablarc has advocated, would be an important first step.
    Zoning is already generally based on bulk, not height. The Nouvel building had to go through the approval process because it's bulkier (greater FAR) than zoning allows, not because it's too tall.

    The Girasole is as-of-right. As long as the building's FAR stays within zoning limits (width reductions, setbacks), they can go higher without city interference.

    Different rules for different objects, even when those objects are for all intents and purposes of the same class.

    NY is definitely in need of an overhaul of its zoning regulations that would create a more auto-correcting system and do away with the absurdities that allow McSam to build urinals across the city but prevent Nouvel's tower from rising,
    Isn't that what you're asking for, different rules for the buildings you like and those you don't like?

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    Moinian Unveils Twisty, Solar-Powered Tower for West Side

    by Jessica Dailey


    [Renderings via FXFOWLE]

    Developer Joseph Moinian gave the Post the dirty details about his 1.7 million square foot tower that's set to rise at 3 Hudson Boulevard along 11th Avenue between 34th and 35th Streets near Hudson Yards. The FXFOWLE-designed skyscraper will have a slight twist, with the form rotating 22 degrees as it rises 1,000 feet, and the south side of the building with have solar-powered "eyebrow" awnings that shade the interior while generating energy. There will be several terraces, a rooftop deck, and the project is aiming for LEED Platinum certification, the highest mark on the green building scale. Hudson Boulevard Park, a 10-block green space that's currently under construction between 10th and 11th Avenues, will sit at the base of tower's eastern side, and the building will have an entrance to the 7 train extension.


    [Rendering via FXFOWLE]

    The tower was actually announced several years ago, but because the site was used as a staging area for the 7 line, the project experienced the same delays as the train extension. Construction will begin next year, and the building will be complete by 2016 or 2017.


    [Rendering via FXFOWLE]

    The building could be entirely offices, or it could have residential at the top if the anchor tenant does not object. But that anchor tenant has yet to be obtained. The base will be occupied either by trading or retail, and rents will start at $80 per square foot and rise with the higher floors.

    Lucky '7' at 3 Hudson Blvd. [NYP]

    http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/0..._side.php#more

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    This will be impressive.

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    It's unclear to me how the subway entrance shown in the diagram lines up in any way with what the MTA has built, but hopefully they can work around it. This is a nice building, but there's going to be a whole ton of tall glassy stuff all together. I feel like the west side is going to go from nothing to Hong Kong in less than a decade (not that there's anything wrong with that).

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    Is this happening, or just on the table?

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    Still on the table. In fact this press release reveals nothing new except pushed backed dates.
    Moinian is just trying to get onto the Hudson Yards bandwagon with Related, Brookfield, and Extell as they compete for scarce tenants.

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    Really cool but is it just me or is it a sort of bizarre fusion of all the recent towers - 4,7 WTC, NYT, and Bloomberg?

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    It's closest to 11TS, which I think these guys designed too, no?

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    Mods: Should this thread be retitled? Much of what is in the current title has been revised ...

    Current: 555 West 34th St - The Girasole - Proposed 1,000'+ Tower - by FX Fowle

    Possible: 3 Hudson Boulevard aka 555 West 34th Street - 1000' Tower - FXFowle - Moinian

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    3 Hudson Boulevard:

    website: http://www.3hudsonboulevard.com/index.php

    NY YIMBY: New Details: 3 Hudson Boulevard

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    Dan Kaplan 3HB Video





    3 Hudson Boulevard, image by FX Fowle

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    Superb tower! I hope that Moinian finds a tenant soon.
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