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    Quote Originally Posted by sfenn1117
    GET OVER IT.
    Yes, please.

    If Chicago builds a few supertall towers in the next few years, I think NYC will start to get the itch again too. Maybe not for another decade or two, but the time will come eventually. It's not a big deal. Be patient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfenn1117
    WOW this thread turned into a PHLguy-fest, moaning about our lack of talls proposed. GET OVER IT. The time will come, sometime in the future, when we will build tall. As for available sites for this, I wouldn't worry about it. Very few people live in the Far West Side, so proposing, even if it's just 1, supertall will not be overly difficult.

    Stop the complaints. Wow. Bank of America is 945 feet. The tallest tower to be built since the WTC. But we're not building tall? There will come a time when Asian cities become like New York, and they will reach their "peak" so to say. Burj Dubai, like ESB, will probably be the worlds tallest for several decades.


    I won't lie, I'd like to see more peaks on the skyline, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it like you.

    I guarantee you NY will build another very tall building in our lifetimes. Guarantee you. There's not a doubt in my mind. Be patient, and enjoy the amazing buildings going up right in front of us.

    I'm not moaning or complaining, I'm simply very interested, I have gotten over it, Do I sound upset in my posts at all? why are you even jumping to that conclusion? Yes this is a board about Skyscrapers, I am passionate about that. People on this board are too quick to jump, Is it really too much for you to read my post about why I think there won't be anymore. This is a discussion board, and I'm saying WHY I disagree with people. If SOMETHING bothers you about me then either PM me politely or ignore it!

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    There's no way one can "sound upset" when just typing text on a forum. You don't use emoticons, so that makes it even harder. What you do have a strong tendency to do is continuously lament the fact that New York is not "building tall enough", that there are too many NIMBYs with too much power, and stating, several times, that New York will never again see a supertall building. You can't predict what will happen in the future as far as supertall buildings are concerned. There's no reason to claim that NIMBY's will kill all the projects on the Far West Side. Yes, they do get a lot of buildings lowered, but that's in areas like Tribeca, the Village, and Upper West Side - well-established, wealthy areas with historic districts, where tall buildings are viewed as damaging the quality of life. The Far West Side is industrial, railyards, with not very many residents. All a developer has to do is assemble the air rights, secure a lot, and build. I wouldn't be surprised at all if within the next several months, we start to see some renderings of towers planned for that area. In the meantime, we have a lot to keep us entertained.

    By the way, there's also no guarantee that either of the proposed 2,000-footers in Chicago (which, by the way, both achieve their height through very tall spires and/or upper levels where no office or residential space will exist) will get built. There's a lot that needs to happen before they get built. And yes, New York will have a 1776-foot tall building within a few years.

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    PHLguy, you say the same things over and over again. It gets irritating. I think that's why people think you're getting overly worked up on the subject of height in NYC.

    pianoman, the towers proposed in Chicago are all very uncertain, but the desire to build tall is very strong in that city. With the new policies concerning height of Chicago towers, I think we will see something very tall built there in the 5-10 year range. Plus Trump's tower is already under construction, and it's no shorty. If that happens, I suspect NYC might warm up to supertall's again, if thoughtfully designed for a suitable location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenie
    . . . but the desire to build tall is very strong in that city (Chicago) . . .
    I wonder why that is so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antinimby
    I wonder why that is so.
    For one thing, the mayor's for it: http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7900

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenie
    PHLguy, you say the same things over and over again. It gets irritating. I think that's why people think you're getting overly worked up on the subject of height in NYC.


    I didn't realize I was doing it so much, I will try my best to stop.

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    Saying new york is over supertalls is stupid. its been said again and again how manhattans geography and rising real estate prices make tall buildings a neccessity. no one will build a huge office tower, maybe but what about mixed use, maybe no super tall for a few years til we get confidence back but look at the stats, 945ft/1200ft boa, 840ft/1046ft nyt, beekman street (hopefully) 1000ft+, 80 south 845ft/1000+ and con ed site even though its smaller than hoped is 860ft and NY has never built like that before so if thats how NY builds when it has no confidence how big do you think we'll go when we do have confidence?

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    ablarc, looks like Chicago and Daley is really gettin' your message of tall, slim towers.

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    NY needs a john hancock center like mixed use. 1200 feet. half office, upper half residential. over the west side rail yards. the mixed use ones seem like a better investment, a better return on investment and although seemingly more expensive, i think it would fill up quicker. whats the most recent mixed use big one? bloomberg?

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    In response to the argument brewing in the Con Ed thread, here's a list of 900'+ we've proposed over the past few years.
    Though it seems we can't build them, we sure can propose them.


    1.

    Freedom Tower
    1776' - 82 Stories
    SOM
    U/C


    2.

    200 Greenwich Street
    1,358' - 78 Stories
    Foster & Partners
    Pre-Construction


    3.

    MSG Site Tower I
    1,300'
    SOM / Foster & Partners
    Never Built


    4.

    Tower Verre
    1,250' - 75 Stories
    Ateliers Jean Nouvel
    Proposed


    5.
    Penn East Site
    1,200' +
    KPF
    Proposed


    6.

    175 Greenwich Street
    1,240' - 71 stories
    Rogers Stirk Harbour + Partners
    Under Construction


    7.

    15 Penn Plaza
    1,225' - 66 stories
    Pelli Clarke Pelli Architects
    Proposed


    8.

    Manhattan West Tower I
    1216' - 66 Stories
    SOM
    Proposed


    9.

    Bank of America Tower
    1,200' - 54 Stories
    Cook + Fox Architects
    Under Construction


    10.

    80 South Street
    1,183' - 55 stories
    Santiago Calatrava
    Proposed


    11.

    MSG Site Tower II
    1,100'
    SOM / Foster & Partners
    Never Built


    12.

    Related Hudson Yards Office Tower I
    1,099' - 74 Stories
    KPF
    Proposed


    13.

    1 New York Place
    1,050' - 90 Stories
    KPF
    Never Built


    14.

    New York Times Building
    1,042' - 52 Stories
    Renzo Piano Building Workshop/ FXFowle Architects
    Completed


    15.

    World Product Center
    1,011' - 60 Stories
    KPF
    Proposed


    16.

    The Girasole
    1,000'+ - 65 Stories
    FXFowle Architects
    Proposed


    17.

    Sherwood Equities Site 1
    1,000'+ - 65 Stories
    KPF
    Proposed


    18. (design not rendered)

    147-161 West 57th Street
    1,000' - 80 Stories
    Atelier Christian de Portzamparc
    Pre-Construction


    19.

    New York Tower
    1,000' - 75 Stories
    Coop Himmelb(l)au
    Never Built


    20. (design not rendered)

    Convention Center Hotel
    980' - 90+ Stories
    Never Built


    21.

    150 Greenwich Street
    974' - 61 Stories
    Maki and Associates
    Under Construction


    22.

    Related Hudson Yards Office Tower II
    950' - 62 Stories
    KPF
    Proposed


    23.

    One Madison Avenue
    937' - 60 Stories
    Studio Daniel Libeskind
    Proposed


    24.

    Manhattan West Tower II
    935' - 60 Stories
    SOM
    Proposed


    25.

    30 Park Place
    912' -68 Stories
    Robert A.M. Stern Architects
    Under Construction


    26.

    33 Wall Street
    900' - 51 Stories
    SOM
    Never Built


    Set the benchmark at 800 feet and the list would reveal towers by Gehry, Herzon de Meuron, Portzamparc, & Rogers.
    Last edited by Derek2k3; January 10th, 2009 at 05:44 PM.

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    Craaap. Do you have any more info on those MSG towers by Foster and SOM that were never built? I seem to have been left in the dark about those.

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    It's all part of a new development direction the city is undertaking. It's really very exciting. Nothing but ranches from here on out. Next year, their going to start tearing down multi-floored buildings, and putting up sprawling estates.

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    Some of these are simply stunning!
    Unfortunately for me the buildings I like least are the ones either being built or already built!

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    meh_cd, not much info was ever released about the designs, besides potential heights and architects.

    Here's 900' - 700'


    27.

    Beekman Street Tower
    867' - 75 Stories
    Gehry Partners, LLP
    Under Construction


    28.

    Trump World Tower
    861' - 72 Stories
    Costas Kondylis & Partners
    Completed


    29.

    Port Authority Bus Terminal
    855' - 42 Stories + 3 story Port Authority base
    Rogers Stirk Harbour + Partners
    Proposed


    30.
    260 Twelfth Avenue
    837' - 58 stories
    SOM
    Proposed


    31.

    56 Leonard Street
    821' - 57 Stories
    Herzog & de Meuron
    Under Construction


    32.
    221 West 57th Street
    815' - 68 stories
    Christian de Portzamparc
    Proposed


    33.

    Conde' Nast Building
    809' - 48 Stories
    Fox & Fowle Architects
    Completed


    34.

    Bloomberg Tower
    806' - 55 Stories
    Cesar Pelli & Associates
    Completed

    35.

    West Street Residential Tower
    ~800' - 65 Stories
    Frank Williams & Partners Architects
    Proposed


    36.

    360 Tenth Avenue
    774' - 61 Stories
    Steven Holl Architects
    Proposed


    37.

    383 Madison Avenue
    773' - 45 Stories
    SOM
    Completed


    38.

    Related Hudson Yards Mixed-Use Tower I
    750' - 66 Stories
    KPF
    Proposed


    39-40.

    Time Warner Center Towers I & II
    750' - 54 Stories
    SOM
    Completed


    41.

    Goldman Sachs Headquarters
    749' - 43 Stories
    Pei Cobb Freed & Partners
    Under Construction


    42.

    7 World Trade Center
    741' - 52 Stories
    SOM
    Completed


    43.

    5 World Trade Center
    740' - 42 Stories
    KPF
    Never Built - Redesign TBA


    44.

    Times Square Tower
    726' - 48 Stories
    SOM
    Completed


    45.

    50 West Street
    725' - 63 Stories
    Helmut Jahn of Murphy/Jahn Architects
    Proposed


    46.

    610 Lexington Avenue
    709' - 62 Stories
    Foster & Partners
    Under Construction


    47.

    Nobu
    708' - 53 Stories
    Moed de Armas & Shannon
    Proposed


    48.

    New York City Technical College Mixed-Use Tower
    ~700' - 65 Stories
    Renzo Piano Building Workshop
    Never Built
    Last edited by Derek2k3; January 10th, 2009 at 07:32 PM.

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