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    Did it have the trannie bar back then?
    I don't remember anything but the room, stairs, front desk and the door out
    (which is where I stayed except for the couple of hours sleep I could manage between appointments)
    A trannie bar would have been an interesting diversion

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    Yuck .

    This is What New York City's Dirtiest Hotel Looks Like Inside

    January 26, 2011, by Sara Polsky

    [All photos via TripAdvisor user reviews]

    New York City's dirtiest hotel, and the fourth-dirtiest in the entire country, is Times Square's Hotel Carter. That's according to a TripAdvisor report based on user reviews.

    Of course, numbersó78 percent of Hotel Carter reviewers gave it the dreaded thumbs-downójust don't give a sense of these things, so we combed through some TripAdvisor reviews with titles like "Einfach nur DISGUSTING!!" for some photographic evidence of the Carter's conditions. Caution strongly advised for those who are consuming or have recently consumed foodstuffs. Check out's at 11!

    2011 Dirtiest Hotels [TripAdvisor via AMNY]
    Hotel Carter [TripAdvisor]
    Hotel Carter [Official Site]

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    Ahhh! Poison my eyes! Can't believe it's actually featured on Trip Advisor, much less rated. The people who gave it a good rating with compliments are either blind or the hotel owners.

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    Why can't the health department close a place like this? Or at least make it meet minimum hygienic standards?

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    Relic of Times Square's Seedy Past Nears a Sale

    Former Flophouse Has Drawn Offers of as Much as $170 Million

    by Craig Karmin

    The last vestige of the flophouses that once dotted Times Square is about to go the way of the porn shops and crime that made the area infamous.

    The dilapidated Hotel Carter was named three times by TripAdvisor Inc. as the dirtiest hotel in the U.S., with online reviewers in recent years complaining of cockroaches, bedbugs and the smell of garbage. In 1999, a clerk killed a co-worker near the front desk and another body was found under a bed a few years later.

    Yet the 600-room property has attracted offers of as much as $170 million from developers and investors since it was put up for sale late last year, according to people familiar with the matter. A winner may be selected as early as this week.

    Interest in the Carter reflects the strength of New York's hotel market and the soaring real-estate values in Times Square. The area, which three and four decades ago was known for its seedy adult cinemas and go-go bars, has blossomed into a family-friendly tourist mecca with Toys "R" Us, a Disney store, and the Nasdaq Stock Market.

    An estimated half-dozen bidders have viewed the property, whose auction is being overseen by real-estate broker Eastdil Secured, according to the people familiar with the matter. Bidders include hotel operator and investor Highgate Hotels and New York hotelier Morris Moinian.

    "Everyone wants to stay there," Mr. Moinian, who heads Fortuna Realty Group, said of Times Square. "Today, it is the biggest destination for world travelers."

    A representative of Highgate didn't respond to requests for comment.

    Hotel Carter's resistance to the Theater District's modern incarnation has been part of an ownership saga that began in 1977 when it was purchased by Tran Dinh Troung, a Vietnamese shipping magnate who escaped with cash and gold when Saigon fell to the Communists in 1975.

    Mr. Tran, who died in 2012 at the age of 80, housed many of his two dozen children and grandchildren, and his children's four mothers in the Carter. Because he didn't leave a will, family members are battling over the estate and the property is being sold as part of that process, according to court documents.

    The lobby at Hotel Carter Kevin Hagen for The Wall Street Journal

    The Theater District is now one of the city's most coveted spots for lodging; even during the depths of the recession, annual occupancy levels never fell below 80%. Average daily rates in the neighborhood were $284 last year, according to Smith Travel Research.

    "Hotel Carter is a holdout from that prior era," said John Fox, a New York hotel analyst at PKF Consulting. "Nothing at all of this scale still remains from those days when Times Square was in decline."

    Guests these days are mostly young foreign tourists. "It has a good location," said Martin Raun, a visitor from Copenhagen, as he climbed the well-worn steps to the lobby. "And for $100, it was fine for the price."

    An illuminated red marquee at the hotel entrance was removed last summer, leaving a bland, faded-brick exterior, after the new hotel manager found out Carter's signature sign never had the right permit. A peek inside the guest rooms shows threadbare carpeting and discolored, often-stained bed sheets. At night, a disco beat thumps through the lobby wall from Cheetah's, a topless-dancing club next door.

    The hotel's front desk Kevin Hagen for The Wall Street Journal

    The new owners will have to do more than change linens, said John Cruz, managing director of GF Management, which has been operating the property while it is being prepared for sale.

    Mr. Cruz estimates it will cost at least $125 million for major safety and infrastructure upgrades to bring the hotel up to 3-star level: replacing elevators, the boiler, pipes and heating, ventilation and air-conditioning systems. The hotel, on 43rd Street between Seventh and Eighth avenues, would have to be shut down and vacated to undergo these improvements.

    The 24-story property opened as the Hotel Dixie in 1930, the same year George and Ira Gershwin's show "Girl Crazy" opened on Broadway. Soon after, its original owners filed for bankruptcy.
    The hotel began to deteriorate in the 1970s as the neighborhood became more crime-ridden. In the 1980s, New York paid the Hotel Carter to serve as a homeless shelter. The city filed criminal charges against the hotel in 1983 related to health and safety violations, and a few years later it removed all homeless families from the hotel because of these recurring issues.

    City records don't list how much Mr. Tran paid in 1977. But hotel experts say at that point the market had hit bottom. "In those days, Times Square was the least desirable spot in New York City," Mr. Moinian said.

    The lobby at the Hotel Carter in New York's Times Square Kevin Hagen for The Wall Street Journal

    Mr. Tran had overseen the largest shipping company in South Vietnam, according to a court affidavit related to a family dispute, and made millions of dollars transporting cargo for the U.S. military during the Vietnam War. He housed his expanding family in 35 connected rooms on the Hotel Carter's lower floors.

    A New York surrogate court in 2012 appointed attorney Stanley Parness as a temporary administrator of the estate; he organized the hotel sale. It was his ruling as a state Supreme Court justice in 1990 that paved the way for the area's redevelopment by allowing New York state to take possession of several Times Square theaters and other buildings to be renovated, converted to commercial use or demolished.

    New York offered tax abatements to encourage the district's redevelopment. Those tax incentives, along with Times Square's burgeoning popularity with tourists as crime fell, led to a surge of new hotels, from Marriott International Inc.'s Renaissance to luxury properties like the InterContinental New York Times Square.

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