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    Quote Originally Posted by STR
    Who gives a @#$% what the name is? You can get quality stuff from no names (Teng's Waterview, Gang's Aqua) yet get absolute crap from famous architect's (Ghery's bandshell).

    "The name" is, has been and will always be more hype than substance.
    Fair point. This is all subjective and its probably best to consider design on a case-by-case basis rather than fawning over starchitects.

    I would however argue that most "name" architects are famous for a reason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASchwarz
    Design is obviously subjective but there are far more projects by starchitects and other big-deal types in NYC than in Chicago. The ratio is probably like 10-to-1. Pretty much every "name" architect has a couple projects brewing in NYC.

    It's hard for me to make a comparison because you have a difference of scale. Both cities have tons of good stuff and tons of crap. NYC has about 3x the construction of Chicago so it has lots more good and bad.

    If you do move out there, understand that NYC and Chicago are completely different. Both great cities but not at all comparable.
    I was only kidding about moving, lol. I see your point, but just because there are more "name" architects doesn't really mean much to me. Just like STR said, they've been on a slump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASchwarz
    I would however argue that most "name" architects are famous for a reason...
    Yes, there are two reasons:
    1) Hype. From the usual "experts" and know-nothing art-farts*
    2) Politics. The big names know how to play the game.

    That's not to say the big names are bad, most of them are competent, but few are great and even fewer are as good as the hype makes them out to be.

    *=The type of people who go around using large pretentious words to sound superior, but never make their own judgement on artists and only follow who's popular at the time.

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    While the two reasons you give might very well hold true, I think ASchwarz was referring more to the fact that early on in their careers, when they were unknowns, these starchitects must have designed some incredible buildings to gain recognition and appeal, and henceforth used their celebrity status to their advantage, which is only to be expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686
    Honestly I only like these two. All the others are average-looking, even subpar.
    Well that was sort of the point. I tried posting a mix of crap and decent, and as you said, the rest were average looking, which is why I wouldn't really post them here.

    But also it's revealing in that although I agree with your first choice, I think the second is one of the weakest designs currently out there and I thought a few others in my post were better.

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    A few new ones:

    Park Kingsbury


    535 St. Clair


    28 West St. James Place

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidtownGuy
    For every crappy, no-talent hack like Britney Spears, there are 5 genius musicians who will never get a contract.
    Thinking of Britney Spears as a musician is like regarding Halle Berry as an actress. They're both very good at what they do, and that is looking good, selling tickets, and turning folks on in a compatible context (a stage with musicians, a movie with action heroes, magazine covers).

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    Bad move to compare a manufactured no talent like BS (funny that, eh?) with the very accomplished Miss Halle Berry, who has shown quite a bit of range with her work from "Monsters Ball" to "The Dorothy Dandridge Story" -- and survived a lot of schlocky Hollywood blockbusters in between (and making quite a nice piece of change for her employers at the same time).

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062400509.html

    Skyscraper Projects Booming in Chicago

    By DON BABWIN
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    Saturday, June 24, 2006; 7:47 PM


    In this city where the skyscraper was born, it is being reborn.

    Luxury condominium towers and office buildings that climb 600 feet and more are sprouting up all over downtown. Along the Chicago River, the Trump International Hotel and Tower is inching its way up to a planned 92 stories.

    Plans are in the works for a nearby 124-story skyscraper, the Fordham Spire, that would knock the Sears Tower from its perch as the tallest building in the United States.

    Since 2000, no fewer than 40 buildings at least 50 stories high have been built, are under construction or are being planned. It's a surge in high-rise construction that hasn't been seen here since the 1960s and 1970s when the Sears Tower, John Hancock Center and other buildings helped give the city one of the most distinctive skylines in the world.

    And while there is a flurry of high-rise construction elsewhere in the United States, particularly in New York, Miami and Las Vegas, the tallest of the tall are going up in Chicago. Of the three tallest buildings under construction, two are here, according to Emporis, an independent research group that catalogues high rise construction around the world.

    "Out my window there are two, three, four, five new high-rises under construction or just completed in the last year and a half, and they've just announced another 80-story building," said Jim Fenters, who has lived on the 51st floor of a 54-story building overlooking Grant Park since 1979. "It's just remarkable what's happened here."

    Projects that would be headline news in other cities go all but unnoticed.

    "The Waterview Tower, that project is 1,047 feet, taller than the Chrysler Building," Blair Kamin, the Chicago Tribune's Pulitzer Prize-winning architecture critic, said of one building under construction. "In any other city there would be endless conversations, (but) here a 1,000-foot tower is `Ho-hum, how are the Cubs doing?'"

    One factor that has fed the construction frenzy is the attitude at City Hall.

    Chris Carley, developer of the Fordham Spire, remembers the time several years ago when proposals for high-rises would prompt city officials to ask about knocking off 10 or more floors.

    Today, the official attitude is reversed.

    "I remember at least two (planning and development) staff members saying `Can't you make it taller? We really would like it taller,'" Chicago architect David Haymes says about discussions with the city for a planned condominium tower.

    The change makes sense, says planning commissioner Lori Healey. In exchange for allowing developers to go higher _ where they get eyepopping views that allow them to charge huge price tags _ the city gets buildings that are a lot smaller at their base, allowing more open space and light than in cities crammed with shorter, wider buildings.

    That's not to say there aren't concerns, particularly since these projects will cast long shadows.

    "The jury's out on whether (the building) will overwhelm landmarks like the Wrigley Building and overwhelm the river," Kamin said. "People are concerned."

    Still, more than a century after the world's first skyscraper _ the nine-story Home Insurance Building _ went up in 1885, Chicagoans remain enamored with tall buildings.

    "Chicagoans live and breathe high-rises both within the profession and within the city," said David Scott, chairman of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, an international nonprofit organization based in Chicago.

    Another reason for the surge in construction is that cities are becoming increasingly popular places to live among people with a lot of money _ the same population that fled to the suburbs decades ago.

    Geography also plays a role. Unlike some other cities, Chicago has huge chunks of land, much of it near Lake Michigan, the Chicago River or parks.

    "We offer unobstructed views, basically forever, of the park and the lake," said Bob O'Neill, president of the Grant Park Conservancy.

    And some residents like Fenders say the view is getting even better. From his window, he can see Millennium Park's band shell designed by architect Frank Gehry, the spot where Renzo Piano's new wing at the Art Institute of Chicago is being built and the planned site of the Santiago Calatrava-designed Fordham Spire.

    "These are three of the most famous architects in the world, and their (projects) are right here," he said.

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    617-627 West Division


    aloft Hotel (?)


    The Streeter II - 570 ft


    An animation of the booming South Loop (mainly Central Station is visible)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    ...the very accomplished Miss Halle Berry, who has shown quite a bit of range with her work from "Monsters Ball" to "The Dorothy Dandridge Story" -- and survived a lot of schlocky Hollywood blockbusters in between (and making quite a nice piece of change for her employers at the same time).
    Looks like she got you, lofter.

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    Park Michigan (830 S Michigan) - 866 ft/ 80 floors





    Another somewhat mysterious project unveiled this week. The community meeting went well with large support from the crowd as well as the alderwoman. One of the more pathetic NIMBY leaders who came out to speak was heckled and told to shut up and sit down. All in all a great night. This building, if built, would have an enormous effect on the city skyline.

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    No kidding. Talk about towering over your neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyguy999
    The community meeting went well with large support from the crowd as well as the alderwoman. One of the more pathetic NIMBY leaders who came out to speak was heckled and told to shut up and sit down. All in all a great night.
    Now that will never happend in this city.

    I am glad Chicago will get a new supertall. The building looks great.

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    Here, just the opposite would happen. The pro-development person would be told to shut up and get the hell outta there.

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