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    Meanwhile, the bar and other accouterments have been salvaged by Evan Blum of Irreplaceable Artifacts, 14 Second Avenue, at Houston Street.

    Sentiment aside, Mr. Blum noted the bar's unusual features - mahogany throughout, a ''graceful'' swan's-neck shape and custom equipment built in to fit the curves, a pair of carved caryatids, beveled mirrors and a built-in cigar humidor. He would not name a price. But he said: ''It's got a lot of character. We hope to find a good home for it.
    I wonder if it is still there......


    Oh, as for the greatest bars, the ones that are there are subject to the will, and greed, of the owner of the property.

    Blind Tiger was kicked out the end of last year. Word is they are putting in a boutique of some sort.

    Great. Soho expands.

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    Suerkens site, now a bunch of mini-stores.


    Puffy's Tavern, on Harrison & Hudson Sts.

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    Zip, you sure that is what they were converted into first?

    I can't see a property owner selling out to small shops like that.

    Unless, of course, they were prohibitionists (or the like).....



    Those little stores look like crap.

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    What you see was the general configuration in the late 80s. The only "large" store was the corner. Some of the others were newsstand size.

    You have to keep the time frame in mind. The stock market tanked in 1987, and the real estate boom of the mid 80s ended soon after. It took almost a decade for prices to recover.

    Evidently, the owner could get more rent by chopping the property into small parcels. Ironically, a Suerkens on that corner would be a gold mine today. I have to believe that those little stores are threatened. A block long building just to the north was renovated into apartments.

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    That's the hard part. When a building owner does not take any genuine interest in the people he is leasing to.

    This is greed rearing its ugly head yet again.....

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    Greetings from Germany...


    My great grandaunt and her husband owned Suerken's Restaurant in the first decades of the 20th century. Her Name was Gertrud Suerken, she returned to Germany in the sixties(?) after the death of her husband.
    Another relative of my family had also a bar or something like that in Manhattan. In our family he was called "Uncle Charlie" probably his real name was Karl.
    His family name was Rose, Suerken or Muellmann, i am not sure.

    If somebody likes to have
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    Last edited by Werner; January 6th, 2009 at 07:38 PM.

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    By any chance would he have named his bar 'Uncle Charlie's'?

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    your too funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werner View Post
    Greetings from Germany...

    My great grandaunt and her husband owned Suerken's Restaurant in the first decades of the 20th century.
    I can't remember the exact date, but there was a sign out front stating established 1880's. Did your family start the business, or buy it?

    Have any photos?

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    If it has been established in 1880, they probably hadn't start it. Maybe he bought and renamed it.
    I'm going to ask my granduncle, he probably knows.
    Yes, my parents have a few old photos, not long ago I used the old labeled dinnerware.

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