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Thread: 200 Greenwich Street - Proposed WTC Tower #2 - by Norman Foster

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    Forum Veteran Tectonic's Avatar
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    This is going to be interesting. Like Foster's design, but BIG could bring creative here.

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    Hallelujah. Unpopular opinion, but I hope those horrible asymmetrical diamonds at the top never see the light of day. Then again, Bjarke's skyscraper concepts are a mess.

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    disagree completely. number two is my favorite design

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    Quote Originally Posted by treebeard View Post
    disagree completely. number two is my favorite design
    you mean was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumonkey View Post
    you mean was.
    point taken

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    Left: Norman Foster's design for 2 World Trade Center. Right: Four in-progress buildings by Bjarke Ingels.

    21st Century Fox, News Corp Considering Move to World Trade Center

    Avant-garde Danish architect Bjarke Ingels brought in to redesign 2 World Trade Center tower

    By Eliot Brown
    April 24, 2015

    The construction site where 2 World Trade Center is expected to rise. Photo: Eliot Brown/The Wall Street Journal

    The final tower planned at the World Trade Center redevelopment could be dramatically altered under a proposal being discussed by 21st Century Fox Inc. and News Corp, which are considering a move to the site, according to people familiar with the talks.

    The media companies and developer Larry Silverstein have brought in avant-garde Danish architect Bjarke Ingels to redesign 2 World Trade Center in the event of a move. Mr. Ingels, co-designer of Google Inc.’s planned new headquarters expansion in Silicon Valley, would replace renowned British architect Norman Foster as lead designer for 2 World Trade Center, these people said.

    A deal is far from certain, as the companies are also considering a renewal of space at their Midtown headquarters, 1211 Avenue of the Americas, which was built in 1973 as an expansion of Rockefeller Center. They expect to make a decision in coming months, these people said.

    Even though the companies’ current headquarters lease doesn’t expire until 2020, it takes years to plan and construct a skyscraper. News Corp, which owns Dow Jones & Co., publisher of The Wall Street Journal, and 21st Century Fox were both part of the same company until 2013. Rupert Murdoch, chairman and chief executive of 21st Century Fox, is also News Corp’s chairman.

    If the companies indeed opted to move to the World Trade Center, it would mark by far the largest change to the closely watched rebuilding since the tower designs were unveiled in 2006.

    Mr. Ingels, a young and relatively obscure architect when Mr. Foster first designed the tower a decade ago, has quickly vaulted to prominence in the field. Eccentric and fast-talking, he is known for abnormally-shaped buildings and sustainable design. The plans for Google, for instance, call for a series of low-slung, giant glass bubble-enclosed office building, resembling Jetsons-style architecture, but filled with lush indoor plant life.

    “Architecture at its best is really the power to make the world a little more like our dreams,” he said at a design conference last fall. “You take something that is a wild idea, like pure fiction, and you suddenly change it into hard fact.”

    His design would keep the World Trade Center tower at about the same height of the 1,270-foot design by Mr. Foster, and it would be about the same 3 million-square-foot size, people familiar with the design said.

    21st Century Fox and News Corp homed in on the Trade Center as an option given that there are few existing buildings with sufficient space for the companies, and development sites on the far West Side have generally grown expensive compared with lower Manhattan, people familiar with the search said.

    The planned 2 World Trade Center tower would have plenty of room, as the companies would occupy about half of the building. But the existing design was deemed problematic because it wasn’t considered ideal for studio space at the base—it was designed with bank-trading floors in mind—and because of the amount of infrastructure on the ground-level related to the PATH train station at the site, the people said.

    If the tower got off the ground, it would also be a coup for Mr. Silverstein, who halted construction of 2 World Trade at ground level while he searched for a major tenant.

    While he would still need to secure financing for the tower, if he did, it would be the final element of the 16-acre redevelopment plan that was crafted in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    Mr. Silverstein’s 4 World Trade Center is complete, as is One World Trade Center, which was developed by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. He restarted work on 3 World Trade Center last year, though still has much work to do: The 2.5 million-square-foot tower is just 20% leased.

    Still, the interest by News Corp and 21st Century Fox signifies a broader shift going on in lower Manhattan, which long struggled to attract new companies other than smaller firms looking for cheaper rents than in Midtown.

    In recent years, publishers Condé Nast and Time Inc. have opted to move there from midtown, as are advertising companies like GroupM, a unit of WPP PLC, which is moving to 3 World trade Center. In an unusual reversal of fortunes, many midtown landlords are now worried that young workers are warmer to downtown and places like Union Square, and they are worried about the large blocks of space tenants like Condé Nast have left behind.

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    Well, there goes that design. I don't see it changing much, since the foundation calls for a similar footprint as the rendering, however the crown may be completely different.

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    The old design was pretty, but in a practical sense, those notches were a major drawback. They made floors more complicated and less usable.

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    New York Post
    June 2, 2015

    News Corp. and 21st Century Fox take step toward World Trade Center move

    By Steve Cuozzo

    The News Corporation building in midtown Manhattan.

    News Corp. and 21st Century Fox, the separate media giants controlled by Rupert Murdoch, have taken a big step toward possibly moving to the World Trade Center.

    The two companies on Tuesday signed a non-binding but detailed letter of intent (LOI) with developer Larry Silverstein to anchor 2 World Trade Center, the media firms confirmed. The 80-plus-story skyscraper would complete a quartet of new jumbos built to replace the Twin Towers’ office space destroyed on 9/11.

    “The new headquarters would provide 21st Century Fox and News Corp. with a range of efficiencies as well as the flexibility for future growth, while helping cement Lower Manhattan as a dynamic new hub for media,” the companies said in a joint statement.

    “While no final decisions have been made, we look forward to continuing to work with Silverstein Properties on the design and terms of our lease arrangement.”

    Separately, Larry Silverstein called the tentative agreement “a great milestone” for the WTC and downtown, adding, “A decision by 21st Century Fox and News Corp. to move to the new World Trade Center would cap a seismic shift that has taken place in Lower Manhattan over the past decade.”

    News Corp. and 21st Century Fox are currently based at 1185 and 1211 Sixth Ave., where leases for both companies expire in 2020. Those leases might be renewed if a final deal can’t be struck downtown.

    A decision to move or stay will likely be made by the end of this year — necessary to plan for the future of thousands of employees, and to work out economic and contractual details of either option.

    But the LOI is a meaningful step forward in complex negotiations that have gone on for months between the media firms, Silverstein and the Port Authority, which owns the WTC land. “Although it’s non-binding, having all the basic terms in place will accelerate the pace for both sides,” a source said.

    Under the proposed deal, 21st Century Fox and News Corp. would occupy about 1.3 million square feet on lower levels of the 2.8 million-square-foot tower under separate leases. The cost of the new tower is unknown, but each of the WTC’s three other towers costs, or is costing, about $1,000 per square foot.

    The parties have tapped cutting-edge Danish architect Bjarke Ingels to design the tower, which would have the address of 200 Greenwich St. and rise immediately north of the nearly finished WTC Transportation Hub. The building would have to accommodate highly specific needs for studios, newsrooms and open floor plans — as well as some 100,000 square feet of shopping space to be controlled by WTC retail operator Westfield.

    The architect’s Bjarke Ingels Group (BIG) also designed the Durst Organization’s dramatic, pyramidal apartment and retail project on West 57th Street between 11th and 12th avenues.

    Ingels’ 2 WTC design would replace an earlier one for the site by British architect Norman Foster, which was intended mainly for financial firms. But Ingels’ tower would still fit in with site planner Daniel Libeskind’s original location and height rules.

    News Corp. divisions at 1211 and 1185 Sixth Ave. include Dow Jones, which publishes the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, and News America Marketing.

    Divisions of 21st Century Fox include Fox News Channel, Fox Sports and some film and broadcast television units.

    News Corp.’s HarperCollins Publishers will remain at 195 Broadway, where it moved from Midtown a few years ago.

    © 2015 NYP Holdings, Inc. All Rights Reserved

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    Instead of another box- we get multiple boxes
    This also does not play well with it's surrounds...
    From certain angles it makes the buildings look like
    they are about to fall into each other.
    epic fail- just like fox news.
    I also call BS on that video, yammering on about taking
    the horizontal and setting it vertical.
    I guess the adage is true:
    If you can't dazzle with brilliance,
    Baffle with bull $hit.

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    ^Spot on. It doesn't play well at all. Just throws everything way off. Just image when 125 Greenwich is added.

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    Long time reader and infrequent commenter here. I just have to say: I HATE IT SO SO MUCH.

    I had such high hopes too given how awesome the west side pyramid is. What a bummer...

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