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    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer
    That's a great letter! Are you John Antonides?
    What is this ... What's My Line?

    Nope ... If I were then it seems like I'd own a great house in Brooklyn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManhattanKnight
    The larger question should be where is the Mayor? Tierney and the other commissioners are his appointees ...
    Damned straight ... nothing happens at LPC or City Planning unless the Mayor wants it to happen. Conversely, the things that don't happen can also be traced back to the Mayor.

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    Mayor Bloomberg - Are you or one of your people reading this?

    I am a fan of yours - and I think you appreciate the pre-war architecture that cannot be replaced. Your East 79th street townhouse benefits from being in the East Side Historic District - who knows if it would still be around if not for the designation.

    Help us here before its too late.

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    Default When is Shelly's at 104 west 57 to be demolished?

    Does anybody know the date when demolition is set to begin at 104 west 57, or how to find out?

    Thanks

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    I walked by the site a few days ago, and the building is in the process of being demolished. I believe the facade had already been removed, and Shelly's has relocated across the street. Here's an update from http://cityrealty.com:

    Former Horn & Hardart building on West 57th Street sold 28-JUN-06

    An important west midtown mid-block development site near Carnegie Hall has been sold for $63 million.

    The site comprises the former site of a Horn & Hardart “automat” restaurant at 102 West 57th Street and the adjoining six-story building at 108 West 57th Street.

    The Horn & Hardart two-story building was built in 1938 and is in the process of being demolished and most recently it housed Shelly’s New York restaurant, which moved to another nearby location on 57th Street.

    The city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission recently declined to hold a hearing on its designation as an official city landmark, which had been recommended by some civic organizations including the New York Landmarks Conservancy although yesterday it commission held a hearing on the proposed designation of another Horn & Hardart restaurant located on Broadway at 104th Street. Earlier this year, the New York Landmarks Conservancy joined other groups including the Muncipal Art Society, Friends of Terra Cotta, and The Art Deco Society of New York, to request a public hearing for the landmark designation of 104 West 57th Street, which it described as “a rare example of streamlined modernism and the last freestanding Horn & Hardart Automat in midtown Manhattan.”

    “The Automat,” according to the conservancy, “was first nominated for landmark consideration in 1982. After two more decades of wear, tear, and neglect of the site’s terra cotta façade, a comprehensive brief on the significance of the Automat was prepared by architectural historians John Juayj and John Kriskiewicz and submitted to the Landmarks Preservation Commission staff in 2001. In the intervening four years, aside from acknowledging receipt of the report, there has been no further comment or action by the Landmarks Preservation Commission.”

    “The site,” the conservancy argued, “is notable not only for its curved, Art Moderne façade but also as a symbol of a quintessential New York dining experience.”

    Horn & Hardart was founded by Joseph Horn and Frank Hardart in Philadelphia on December 22, 1888 when they opened a 15-sear café at 39 South 13th Street opposite the John Wanamaker department store. They opened their first “automat” in New York at Broadway and 13th Street in 1912. The company’s slogan was “Less Work for Mother,” and at the company’s peak the large Art-Deco-style restaurants had walls lined with rows of glass-door niches containing sandwiches and desserts, such as a yummy plum-and-apricot pie, and the like that could be accessed by depositing some nickels in a slot next to the door and twisting a brass-knarled handle to open the door. In addition to the glass boxes, the automat also had a large hot-food section where one could get the best Harvard beets in the city.

    The two lots have about a total of 112,965 building square feet and according to Mark Spinelli of Massey Knakal Realty Services, which represented the seller, “The property sold for $557.66 per buildable square foot. “The sale represents one of the most significant land sales in 2006,” said Massey Knakal Broker Mark Spinelli, who exclusively represented the seller with Chairman Robert Knakal and Managing Partner James Nelson. “The premium price was nearly 20% higher than the average price paid for large scale development sites in Manhattan south of 96th Street. In fact, the only two large scale comparable land sales that surpassed the 57th Street site were Harry Macklowe’s purchase of 440 Park Avenue and Garden Homes’ purchase of 170 East End Avenue.”

    “Just as demand for condominiums seems to have declined, demand for hotel space has soared,” Mr. Spinelli said, noting that the seller had prepared plans for a 25-story building on the site where the ground and second floor are retail, the third and fourth floors are commercial and the above floors are residential.”

    The property was purchased by a Manhattan hospitality company.

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    so as you can see, the Seller just wanted it torn down so they could sell based on the unused air rights..

    nice going Landmarks - score another

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    HILTON BUYS ON W. 57

    By LOIS WEISS

    June 29, 2006 -- Hilton Resorts is adding a Grand Vacation spot to the lineup along 57th Street. The company purchased the former Shelly's restaurant site and the adjacent small office building for $63 million, where sources say they intend to develop a new, 25-story project.
    The 112,965-foot site running from 102-108 W. 57th St. just west of the southwest corner was once a Horn & Hardart Automat.

    It sold for $557.66 per foot through Massey Knakal Realty Services.

    City records revealed the name of the buyer, which brokers declined to reveal.

    The location down the street from Carnegie Hall and Central Park can host a 25-story building.

    "It's a home run site," said hotel consultant John K. Fox of PKF Consulting,who was unaware of the deal.

    Hilton has already sold some time shares for rooms at its 54th St. hotel but the Grand Vacation Clubs are to date, located only in Las Vegas, Florida and Hawaii.

    Its spokeswomen did not return calls or e-mails before press time.

    Copyright 2006 NYP Holdings, Inc.

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    A photograph showing both the Shelly's steakhouse building and the 6-story next door (nice little old building, should've been landmarked?).


    cityrealty.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686
    The city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission recently declined to hold a hearing on its designation as an official city landmark, which had been recommended by some civic organizations including the New York Landmarks Conservancy although yesterday it commission held a hearing on the proposed designation of another Horn & Hardart restaurant located on Broadway at 104th Street. Earlier this year, the New York Landmarks Conservancy joined other groups including the Muncipal Art Society, Friends of Terra Cotta, and The Art Deco Society of New York, to request a public hearing for the landmark designation of 104 West 57th Street, which it described as “a rare example of streamlined modernism and the last freestanding Horn & Hardart Automat in midtown Manhattan.”

    “The Automat,” according to the conservancy, “was first nominated for landmark consideration in 1982. After two more decades of wear, tear, and neglect of the site’s terra cotta façade, a comprehensive brief on the significance of the Automat was prepared by architectural historians John Juayj and John Kriskiewicz and submitted to the Landmarks Preservation Commission staff in 2001. In the intervening four years, aside from acknowledging receipt of the report, there has been no further comment or action by the Landmarks Preservation Commission.”
    This is getting to be a habit. Action by inaction. First 2 Columbus Circle, now this. These folks are wolves guarding sheep.

    Shills for the destructionists.

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    Hilton plans all-suites hotel on West 57th


    August 29, 2006

    Hilton Resorts has filed an application with the city to build a 28-story, 310-foot-tall hotel on the site of the former Shelly's restaurant at 102-104 West 57th Street. The hotel will be all suites from floors three through 26.


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    While three other condo/hotel development sites on West 57's Carnegie Hall block spin their wheels, the one at 102-104 W. 57th looks hot to trot.

    Hilton Resorts, which bought the former Shelly's restaurant site this year, has filed an application with the Buildings Department for a 28-story, 310-foot tall all-suites hotel. The old building is now being demolished.

    The plans, which have yet to be approved, call for stores on the ground floor and a "club and roof terrace" on the second floor.

    Above that, it will be all-suites from floors 3-26, ranging from nine suites per floor on 3-13 and a mere two each on 24-25. The upper floors will be for mechanical use.


    Copyright 2006 NYP Holdings, Inc.

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    With respect to the other sites, I assume that they are:

    1. The buildings which include 157 W57th St. between 6th and 7th on the north side. They have been empty (and surrounding by a sidewalk bridge) for a long time.

    2. Extell's Hard Rock Building.

    3. The horrible empty buildings on either side of an empty lot on the south side between 5th and 6th. Apparently, these properties are not owned by the same entity. My suggestion: eminent domain. The city needs hotel and office space.

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    Update on the project from Hotel News Resource:

    Hilton Hotels Corporation Announces Plans to Develop Manhattan's First Purpose-Built Timeshare Property

    Date: 2006-09-21

    Industry: -Hotel- Category: Development

    Hilton Hotels Corporation through its timeshare division, Hilton Grand Vacations Company (HGVC), announced plans today to develop the first purpose-built timeshare property in New York City, New York.
    Construction of a 28-story Hilton Grand Vacations Club is projected to start in January, 2007. Located on West 57th Street between the Avenue of the Americas and Seventh Avenue, the project is anticipated to include 161 units, and is targeted for completion in early 2009.

    This unprecedented development marks the first time a building designed exclusively for timeshare accommodations has ever been constructed in Manhattan. According to Antoine Dagot, President and CEO of HGVC, "The prominence of the Hilton legacy in New York City is being taken to the next level. After decades of leadership in all hotel segments throughout Manhattan, Hilton has achieved a development milestone that has never before been accomplished in the New York hospitality industry. The ability to build, from the ground-up, a timeshare product tailored exclusively to our meet our customers' distinctive preferences offers extraordinary advantages. Our premium mid-town address and the quality of accommodations and amenities planned for this Hilton Grand Vacations Club property will make it one of the most sought-after timeshare products in our portfolio."

    Dagot credits the success of HGVC's Hilton Club product, located on the 37th and 38th floors of the Hilton New York, along with years of diligence and the tremendous collaborative efforts of key Hilton team members nationwide, for the successful acquisition of such a prime real estate parcel. He added, "Securing this ideal location was well worth our patience and persistence. With Carnegie Hall nearby, just down the street from Fifth Avenue and the theater district, this Hilton Grand Vacations Club will offer our Members and guests immediate access to the very best of New York City. We could not ask for a better foundation upon which to build our first Hilton Grand Vacations Club in New York."

    © 1998 - 2006 Hotel News Resource

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    Let them have their ol' tower. But they should be required to rebuild the ground floor as Shelley's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    Let them have their ol' tower. But they should be required to rebuild the ground floor as Shelley's.
    Shelly's has already relocated to 57th between 5th and 6th on the north side of the street closer to 6th. Seems like nice space.

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    ^ I only care about the outside.

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