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    There is a "rear yard" requirement (meaning some clearance is necessary at the mid-block lot line). But that regulation has nothing to do with the practice of McSamming along the streetwall / setting back a structure on the sidewalk-side lot line. The new "architectural" model as seen in these hotels is to squeeze the building into the center of the lot (pulling it back from both the rear lot line and the street lot line) in order to go higher. Most lots in NYC are ~ 100 feet deep -- and these hotels are invariably 50 feet deep with a big inset at both the front and the rear.

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    Default Cladding is going up

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    Better cheap looking than gaudy I guess. I was expecting a solid wall of Astor Place type reflective glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek2k3 View Post
    Better cheap looking than gaudy I guess. I was expecting a solid wall of Astor Place type reflective glass.
    Thank the heavens we did not get that, as bad as the present situation is.

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    With the arrival of the cheap-looking glass for this fugly structure, let's take a moment to recall what it replaced:



    Put a little love into it, and it's a beautiful, charming building that is quintessentially UWS (at least the UWS that exists in the imagination, not the real, post-war "urban renewed" UWS of Park West Village and the Frederick Douglass Homes).

    Instead, we get something Robert Moses would've been proud of: big, cheap and abrasively modern. A step toward PWV and the FDH, only with richer tenants.

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    Is good architecture really that expensive?

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    Cut a corner here, cut a corner there ...

    Much more hard to come by than good architectrue is plain old good taste.

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    I hadn't been by this site in a few months when I passed by this evening. It's shockingly cheap-looking. The glass looks like McSam's sloppy seconds, and the side walls, which tower over the neighboring buildings, are as stark and bare as a state school dormitory, like so many of the cheap high-rises around Lincoln Center.

    I'd say it'd share the same fate as the Alexandria -- shabby and faded PoMo that reveals the project's fundamental lack of quality within a few years of construction -- but I don't think anyone needs to wait another day, let alone a few years, to see how cheap this one looks.

    The only question is whether this is better or worse than the Sleepy's across Broadway.

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    200 W 72

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    Default The setback feature is nice.

    I wish there was more of it.

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    A reminder of what was here before this thing went up (limestone, brick, terracotta -- and fun for members inside) ...

    The Colonial Club

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    200 West -- just a boxy, tedious mass

    January 07, 2010

    By James Gardner

    There are few corners of Manhattan as ill-served by architecture as the northwest and southwest corners of Broadway and 72nd Street.

    In the 1990s it saw the emergence of the Alexandria, a well-intentioned exercise in classical contextualism which, through a combination of weak design and poor construction values, resulted in a pallid eyesore at what should have been the focal point of the Upper West Side.

    As for 200 West which has just sprung up across the street at 200 West 72nd Street (with an alternate address of 2075 Broadway), the best that can be said is that, if anything, it makes the Alexandria look almost good by comparison. Its mongrelized aesthetic, devised by Handel Architects, is basically art deco in the heavily geometric and vaguely Chrysler-esque flanges that make up the staggered set-backs, starting around the 14th floor. But such adornments do little to enliven or relieve the sense of value engineering and general tedium of this 19-story development, undertaken by the Gotham Organization. The rest is a boxy mass that rises out of nowhere, curving, in true art deco fashion, round the corner where Broadway turns into 72nd Street.

    Other than that, it appears from its renderings and from its mostly completed exterior to be marked by bay divisions, two-windows wide, which stretch from the roof down to the 48,000-square-foot retail area that will take up the first few floors of the building. At the point where the setbacks open out, the facade becomes a sequence of ribbon windows that looks to be at best, drably functional.

    For more than 100 years, this corner had been occupied by a modest four-story structure built to house the Colonial Club. When that organization went belly-up in 1903, the building was turned into offices and shops. Now, like much of Manhattan after the recent real estate boom, it has become a mix of residences and retail. Architecturally, however, it adds nothing to the cityscape. Indeed, it diminishes it. This is especially regrettable given that, as I wrote in a previous article, Upper Broadway is experiencing a renaissance, with the reopening of the Harmony Atrium, the reconception of Alice Tully Hall, and the new Apple Store, only a few blocks to the south.

    Perhaps the most interesting aspect of 200 West is that it will soon welcome the upscale supermarket, Trader Joe's, to its first two floors. That establishment's coexistence with Fairway, Citarella, Zabar's and a number of other such businesses, ensures that this part of Manhattan will become an even greater mecca for foodies than it already is.

    http://therealdeal.com/newyork/artic...y-tedious-mass

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    I wish that that sort of bad press would dissuade people from buying here, hurt the developer where it counts, and provide a cautionary tale of building crappy architecture. Unfortunately, bad architecture means higher, not lower, profits because New Yorkers don't give a damn. Hopefully, the recession hits the Gotham Organization (its developer) hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    A reminder of what was here before this thing went up (limestone, brick, terracotta -- and fun for members inside) ...

    The Colonial Club

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    What a crime.

    Once again, where were all of the loudmouths (who thought it chic to fight the Torre Verre) when this gem was being razed? In the words of Holden Caufield, they're phonies!

    NY sucks wang.

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