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    Quote Originally Posted by oquatanginwan View Post
    Even though it's much shorter, 220 CPS will still diminish the impact of this turd quite a bit:

    Where did that rendering come from? I hope it's not the final version of the POS planned for this site.

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    Trump World on steroids.


    Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture

    http://www.citylandnyc.org/approved-...udents-league/
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    So a 1'300 foot loooong thin rectangle; that the best we can do. Adrian Smith is some sort of devolved regressive architect.

    F***ing animals.

    (Any way to stop this from happening???)

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    Lame~!
    Last edited by londonlawyer; October 30th, 2013 at 09:43 AM.

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    Well that's interestingly uninteresting. It's like Toronto stacked on top of Toronto. How polite.

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    Toronto has better towers than this piece of s.h.it.
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    It's a tower for New York. In NYC the bigger the tower the more bland they get? I suspect it's cost cutting. Exceptions being Tower Verre & 56 Leonard?(same developer).
    Last edited by Tectonic; October 29th, 2013 at 06:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoldanTTLB View Post
    Well that's interestingly uninteresting. It's like Toronto stacked on top of Toronto. How polite.
    Holy overreaction Batman, it's 4 World Trade all over again, except we don't even have the hi-res renders Silverstein gifted us. It's a low res cellphone photo from some printed material. He doesn't disappoint as a rule, this is the man that did the incredible facade on Jin Mao in Shanghai, and I highly doubt he's going to slack off on this one. In fact, this could be Adrian Smith's middle finger back at SOM New York for forcing him out. Let's at least see some facade details.

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    Wow, I compare it to Toronto, which I don't think is the most terrible thing ever, AND is completely open to interpretation, and I get called on overreacting rather than the over the top racism that has begun to permeate these threads. Now THAT is interesting.

    Incidentally, even if the exterior materials are as nice as 4WTC, the form is not. Everything about 4WTC works to accent the rest of the site (the reflection of 1WTC, the plain face against the memorial, etc). Just by virtue of the location, this tower can't lean on the same symbolism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoldanTTLB View Post
    rather than the over the top racism that has begun to permeate these threads.
    You really should point that out, if not on the forum, at least in a PM to the moderators.

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    I suppose there was no chance that the LPC would deny approval; it's become a puppet of the mayor, who grants just about anything the real estate industry wants.

    The Cityland article has several tortured remarks:

    Gary Barnett of Extell stated that the project, which would constitute “a significant addition to the New York City skyline,” would create over 1,300 jobs and generate over $1 billion in tax revenue for the City over 20 years.
    The meeting was about the cantilever. The rest of the building is as-of-right, so the jobs, skyline and tax revenue would be there without the cantilever.

    Preservation Consultant Bill Higgins argued that the cantilever and the landmark would “exist in different planes of urban experience.”
    Oh please.

    Architect Gordon Gill, of Adrian Smith and Gordon Gill Architecture, said the glass-faced building would be composed of cantilevers, including a “sky lobby” 139 feet above the street. He said the cantilever over the landmark would give the building “a sense of scale” and a “modulation of the texture” of the otherwise sheer side façade. Gill said the transparent façade of the new building would provide “a contrast” to the stone-clad landmark, and “add texture and animation to the street.”
    It's really about the interior and $ - a sky lobby and views around the planned 220 CPS.

    The crux of it:
    Commissioner Michael Goldblum did not find the proposal appropriate, determining that it did not reach the standard for architecture on an individually designated site. He said the impact of the project on the landmark was mitigated by the height of the cantilever, but the landmarked building would still be negatively affected. He also noted that the cantilever was not necessary for the development of the neighboring parcel.

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    Lame & Inelegant ...

    Renderings Revealed For Extell's New 57th Street Megatower

    http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/1..._megatower.php


    [Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture, via Wall Street Journal]

    Extell Development's newest hulking tower of glass at 217 West 57th Street was recently approved by the Landmarks Commission, possibly setting a dangerous precedent of allowing new buildings to cantilever over historic ones in the process. But what's done is done, and the Wall Street Journal just published some renderings of the Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill-designed tower that, at 1,423 feet, will soon loom over the neighboring American Fine Arts Society. The renderings give a wide look of the tower as well as, perhaps unfortunately, a view of the cantilever from below.

    The reasons for the cantilever are twofold, as it 1) chivalrously allows a rival megatower, Vornado Realty's 220 Central Park South, unimpeded views of the park (in return, Vornado shifted its building slightly to the west), and 2) shifts the building's core to allow a column-free space for the Nordstrom (because if there's one thing that New Yorkers will not abide by, it's a retail space marred by columns). You know, form following function and all that.


    · Initial Renderings Reveal Design for Condo Tower on 'Billionaires' Row'[WSJ]


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    Mierda Tower!

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    Yikes! Tetris!

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    This would be daring if it were colored like tetris blocks piled up.

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