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    New York YIMBY
    April 20, 2015

    Revealed: 217 West 57th Street, Official Renderings For World’s Future Tallest Residential Building

    BY NIKOLAI FEDAK



    Last July, YIMBY obtained construction documents for the future Nordstrom Tower at 217 West 57th Street, and we translated the diagrams into renderings. And now, we have official renderings created by the architect, depicting Midtown (and potentially, the Western Hemisphere’s) future tallest tower.

    Extell is the developer, and Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill are designing. Permits for the tower have continued to shift slightly in recent months, but the documents YIMBY previously obtained indicated the building would have a roof height of 1,479 feet and a pinnacle height of 1,775 feet, which would make it the tallest residential tower on the planet. Final figures are likely to be within a hair of both numbers.

    Compared to the world’s tallest buildings, 217 West 57th Street would rank fifth if it were built today, standing almost 1,000 feet shorter than the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, and by 2018 it may not crack the global top ten. But its roof will be substantially taller than both One World Trade Center and Willis Tower. The most recent figures put 217 West 57th’s Spire one foot below the WTC’s 1,776-foot pinnacle.


    217 West 57th Street, facade close-up

    Despite this, the slight elevation of Midtown compared to the Financial District (a net gain of approximately 70 feet) will mean that 217 West 57th Street’s spire will actually rise approximately 1,850 feet above sea level. While the WTC may retain the title of NYC’s tallest by spire height, 217 West 57th’s relative prominence to most New Yorkers will actually be somewhat greater. This serves as a reminder that New York is not Philadelphia, and any type of gentlemen’s agreement regarding One World Trade Center would undermine the spirit of the city where developers had previously been eager to vie for the title of tallest.

    432 Park Avenue passed the WTC’s roof last year, and One Vanderbilt will likely do so in about 2017. 432 Park is currently regarded as somewhat tall relative to its surrounds, but the appearance of new buildings like 217 West 57th and 111 West 57th will quickly even out the disparities in the skyline, as will the rezoning of Midtown East, which may result in Manhattan’s tallest towers yet.


    Nordstrom facade

    Encouraging mixed-use development is essential for supertalls, and despite common criticisms, most of the new buildings along 57th Street are actually helping the streetscape. One57 is an exception to the bunch, and people seem to forget that even 432 Park Avenue will include two substantial components, one fronting Park Avenue and the other 57th Street, likely opening this year or next.

    217 West 57th Street will host a 200,000-square-foot Nordstrom department store, along with offices, a hotel, and condominiums, with a gross total of 1,210,993 square feet.


    Penthouse interior/view, 217 West 57th Street/Extell

    The exteriors are accompanied by the first penthouse interior, as well as the floorplan for a two-story duplex, which may or may not be the uppermost residence. It will apparently include outdoor terraces, which may very well become the highest outdoor spaces in New York City.


    Penthouse floor-plan and spire close-up

    A photo by tipster ILNY shows the crane installation now beginning, and the supertall will soon begin rising above street level. 432 Park Avenue was at a similar stage as of October 2012, and layer after of layer of steel and concrete will soon cover the sub-levels of the future Nordstrom Tower, with completion expected by 2018.


    217 West 57th Street foundation progress and crane base, photo by ILNY

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    I wanna like it more but don't; too bulky on the last floors that lead up to the spire (which blows 1WTC's spire out of the water in terms of presentation, if executed like the rendering, BTW). Seems to have good variety and texture on the façade detail. It ok and its slightly positive skyline impact it does help us divert our attention from that piss-poor PISSANT at 432 Park.

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    You're being too kind. It's a glassy mess. At least 432 Park has a moronic integrity that fools some people as elegance. Nordstrom is just Bahrain quality bling.

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    Lol I actually agree with the term "moronic integrity" but for this tower not 432 park. This building does try somewhat at being distinct and elaborate (although not very good at it), but it has SOME features. If anything, the one that lacks any architectural integrity is 432 Park; it's cheap, lazy and when you really look/think at it, it didn't need anything else besides a competent engineer to ensure the sound structure of something that has one material and one glass size for 1400'.

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    Default I see they are working on the new tower across the street on Central Park South . .

    I though that tower was supposed to be small ( remember the big fight with Extell )but i see a photo rendering of it and it looks like 70 stories. Does this new condo have a name yet ?

    Do we know for sure that the condo units are higher than this new building ?

    When do sales start for 225 West 57 St ?

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    New York YIMBY
    May 11, 2015

    Diagrams Show Nordstrom Tower/217 West 57th Street Will Stand 1,795 Feet Tall, Becoming New York City’s Tallest Building

    By Nikolai Fedak



    The current race to the top of the skyline is the most impressive in New York City’s history, with ever-taller skyscrapers sprouting from the Financial District all the way to 57th Street. And YIMBY has now learned that 217 West 57th Street, aka the Nordstrom Tower, received a height boost between April and June of last year, pushing the tower’s pinnacle to 1,795 feet. That will make it the tallest building in New York City, the United States, and the Western Hemisphere.

    While the spire was only increased 20 feet, the difference is significant because the old plans were just one foot shy of One World Trade Center’s beacon, which stands 1,776′ tall. The boost to the Nordstrom Tower’s parapet was more significant, and it rose from 1,478’10″ to 1,530′, which will further bolster the tower’s profile on the already-enormous Midtown skyline.



    Extell’s extreme secrecy regarding the project helps explain the discrepancy in the plans, and Smith + Gill’s involvement should have also been foretelling of the increase. The height of the firm’s largest completed project to date, the Burj Khalifa, remained a secret until it had been completed, and the final height of the Kingdom Tower, currently under construction, is still unknown.

    There is also a significant precedent for discretion when it comes to height in New York City, echoed in the city’s previous building booms. At the end of the 1920s, 40 Wall Street had just reached its 927-foot pinnacle when the Chrysler Building’s architect William Van Alen had a spire secretly constructed and raised to the top of his nearly-completed Midtown creation, pushing its height to 1,046 feet above street level, and giving it the title of the world’s tallest building.

    Perhaps it is not so surprising then that New York’s current supertall boom is following a similar pattern, with another Midtown skyscraper set to grab the city’s top position from a newly-constructed Downtown rival (though if Silverstein is serious about Bjarke Ingels designing 200 Greenwich, perhaps One World Trade Center doesn’t have to be the tallest building in the complex after all, especially as its “iconic” pinnacle is already rather ordinary in terms of global tall building rankings).

    Amongst the 57th Street towers, there has already been jostling for position. One57 topped-out at 1,005 feet in 2011, while 432 Park Avenue only reached its 1,397-foot peak last year. 111 West 57th Street was originally conceived to stand under 1,000 feet tall, before plans were adjusted to 1,397 feet, and now, post topping-out of its Park Avenue rival, 1,421 feet.

    Continued tweaks at 217 West 57th Street would seem likely, but there is no reason it wouldn’t remain in the stratospheric air above One World Trade’s parapet, likely within a hair of the 1,800-foot mark. With the controversy surrounding One World Trade Center and its rivalry with the Willis Tower in Chicago, a new building that handily trumps both in terms of roof and spire height will resolve the debate surrounding the title of the country’s tallest building once and for all.



    Besides minor shifts already mentioned, the design appears to have stayed fairly constant from renderings YIMBY had previously posted. The version YIMBY obtained most recently (created in-house at Smith + Gill) was created last summer, and also based on the newer schematics from June.

    The roof height of the tower’s uppermost 93rd floor remains unchanged between both versions at 1,428’10″.

    Permits for 217 West 57th Street do not appear to be accurate, and the most recent filings for the plywood fencing and sidewalk shed note a height of only 880 feet and 88 floors. This is the same thing that Related did with permits filed last summer for its 1,269-foot tall 30 Hudson Yards, when filings only indicated a height of 66 floors and 660 feet, and the tactic is not uncommon for high-profile projects. DOB permits also do not account for anything above a building’s roof height, so even the final job application figures could leave out the actual pinnacle height.

    Despite the lack of transparency at the administrative level, work is making significant progress on-site, and concrete for the tower’s foundation has been pouring for months. It will likely be another several months before the superstructure climbs above street level, but within the next year or so the structure will be visible from surrounding blocks, and it will open its doors in 2018.

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    Time for a 2000ft tower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tectonic View Post
    Time for a 2000ft tower.
    Maybe in the not too distant future. This tower's new height pleases me immensely as one of my concerns has been that the 1776' official height of One WTC would become a defacto height limit such as the Washington Monument in DC. The original 1775' height of the spire seemed to be honoring that, and the longer that precedent remained standing the harder it would be to surpass going forward. This tower will take care of that and we won't have the debate in years ahead for other aspirants now.

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    Ouch...much like its predecessor, One World Trade got knocked off the "tallest building" list in less than a year. This time by a mixed use building, rather than another office tower.

    Roughly 2/3rds of the building's advertising went into being the tallest in the western hemisphere. I figure Durst is conjuring up a lawsuit as we speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oquatanginwan View Post
    At least 432 Park has a moronic integrity that fools some people as elegance.
    Nice that you've managed to keep your integrity so intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BStyles View Post
    Ouch...much like its predecessor, One World Trade got knocked off the "tallest building" list in less than a year. This time by a mixed use building, rather than another office tower.

    Roughly 2/3rds of the building's advertising went into being the tallest in the western hemisphere. I figure Durst is conjuring up a lawsuit as we speak.
    If Extell doesn't try to claim the spire as part of the building like at 1 WTC, Durst might keep the increasingly false illusion of tallest in the Western Hemisphere.

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    read the info in the link... even with the spire this still won't be taller than the spire/antenna on one.

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    ^^I did after posting. Oh well...

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    Maybe not today, but someday a developer will get gutsy and kick One off the list.

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