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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca View Post
    Not my kind of place but impressive.
    Do all those skyscrapers cohere into anything even remotely resembling urbanity?

    Or is it like Miami (versus Miami Beach)?

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    But from what I hear, the old souk area is vaguely urban, and is earning a sort of Miami Beach-esque cachet with the art set.

  3. #213


    Quote Originally Posted by czsz View Post
    from what I hear, the old souk area is vaguely urban, and is earning a sort of Miami Beach-esque cachet with the art set.

    Luca? Did you see it on your visit?

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    I guess it's technically known as Old Dubai or Bastakiya and is across Dubai Creek from the glitz and glamour. Wet your whistle?

    Last edited by czsz; December 9th, 2007 at 02:45 PM.

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    And the girl in the last picture ... was not arrested?

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    Read my mind

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    It's Dubai, not Khartoum.

  8. #218

    Default you guys can't possibly be that stupid

    Actually, people will que up for abusive labor conditions. Here's why - the country they are currently living in is even worse. The UAE is not in the middle of a civil war, and they have food - therefore, the UAE is attractive for people who are desparate and take the risk for a very marginally better life that is still unnecessarily cruel and unjust.

    here's a snippet from wikipedia

    Migrant and labour rights

    Construction workers at the Burj Dubai

    Migrants, particularly migrant workers, make up a majority (approximately 80%) of the resident population of the UAE, and account for 90% of its workforce.[1] They lack rights associated with citizenship and face a variety of restrictions on their rights as workers.
    It is common practice for employers in the UAE to retain employees' passports for the duration of the employment contract to prevent expatriate employees from changing jobs. This is an illegal practice, but it is almost never investigated, let alone punished by the government. On termination of an employment contract, certain categories of expatriates are banned from obtaining a work permit in the country for six months.
    • In March 2006 NPR reported that workers "typically live eight to a room, sending home a portion of their salary to their families, whom they don't see for years at a time." Others report that their salary has been withheld to pay back loans, making them little more than indentured servants.[2]
    • In December 2005 the Indian consulate in Dubai submitted a report to the Government of India detailing labour problems faced by Indian expatriates in the emirate. The report highlighted delayed payment of wages, substitution of employment contracts, premature termination of services and excessive working hours as being some of the challenges faced by Indian workers in the city.[3] The consulate also reported that 109 Indian blue collar workers committed suicide in the UAE in 2006. [4]
    • The BBC reported in September 2004 that "local newspapers often carry stories of construction workers allegedly not being paid for months on end. They are not allowed to move jobs and if they leave the country to go home they will almost certainly lose the money they say they are owed. The names of the construction companies concerned are not published in the newspapers for fear of offending the often powerful individuals who own them.".[5]
    • In 2004 the United States Department of State has cited widespread instances of blue collar labour abuse in the general context of the United Arab Emirates.[6]
    • In September 2003 the government was criticised by Human Rights Watch for its inaction in addressing the discrimination against Asian workers in the emirate. [7]
    Though officially there is a labour ministry where workers can go for redress, this is more so in name than in practice. Subcontintent labour from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh working in construction sites cannot speak either Arabic or English, and their claims can drag on in the Labour courts for months by which time the unpaid labourers have little option than to accept any given settlement.
    However, the UAE government has denied any kind of labour injustices and has stated that the watchdog's accusations were misguided.[8] Towards the end of March 2006, the government announced steps to allow construction unions. UAE labour minister Ali al-Kaabi said: "Labourers will be allowed to form unions."


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    And the girl in the last picture ... was not arrested?
    Before the civil war, Saudi women used to go to Beirut to party hijab-less. Now they go to Dubai.

    Not that all the laws there are liberal. A French boy raped by some guy near a roadside there was convicted of "involuntary homosexuality" recently.

  10. #220

    Default they're trying to change though

    Regarding the homosexuality issue, reform on that is going to come later. Dubai is admittedly trying to do away with the most intolerant traditions of the region and they deserve credit for that.

    Still - I'm not sure I agree that area looks exactly like Miami Beach quite yet - a bit too much of a sword fight from the pics you showed and the girl isn't a supermodel in a scantily clad bikini.

  11. #221


    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    Do all those skyscrapers cohere into anything even remotely resembling urbanity?

    Or is it like Miami (versus Miami Beach)?

    Luca? Did you see [the old town] on your visit?

    No, there is no great urbanity achieved there. It’s basically one (logn) row of (tall) skyscrapers embedded on a matrix of low-rise suburbs and malls.

    Unfortunately my visit was extremely cursory (I was there to speak at a conference but only managed to get in at 3 A.M., sleep, get up, speak, back to airport; that sort of nonsense).

    My impressions are extremely superficial.

    Quote Originally Posted by investordude View Post
    Actually, people will queue up for abusive labor conditions. Here's why - the country they are currently living in is even worse.[edit]

    I was taking issue with the melodramatic / odious label of “slave labor”. I have no doubt that working conditions are generally ‘poor’ for central Asian construction workers and indeed most poor-country immigrants. The fact that, despite some of the abuses enumerated, people keep coming suggests that on balance they believe they are better off. You’ve always got to be careful with “The Jungle”-style exposes. They often represent tail distributions as the mode. That’s inaccurate.

    It is worth noting that many of the abuses enumerated by wikipedia (other than withholding of travel documents) are common in central Asia and elsewhere in Asia. It doesn’t make it right, of course, but puts the UAE practices in perspective.

    In many way, domestic labor may be subjected to worse abuses (being also more isolated).

  12. #222


    The new buildings going up in Dubai would be a big wow in any city.

    Does anyone know what happend with their plan to develop the world's first rotating skyscraper:

    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The Arab city with the palm-shaped islands and the sail-shaped hotel is adding to its eclectic skyline by building the world's first rotating skyscraper, a 30-story apartment tower that revolves on its base.
    The tower, announced Wednesday, will use the Persian Gulf's abundant sunshine to power the building's slow rotation that brings it full circle once a week, said Nick Cooper, a British engineer designing the rotation mechanism.

    "This will be a fair building," said Cooper, of M.G. Bennett and Associates Ltd. of Rotherham, England. "Everybody will have the same views for the same amount of time, so you won't have certain rooms with the best view."

    The 80,000-ton building with 200 apartments will sit on a giant bearing 30 yards in diameter, coated with a nearly frictionless polymer, Cooper said. Twenty small electric engines will turn the building a few degrees each hour, Cooper said.

    "It will be indexing around on the hour," Cooper said. "It moves very slowly. It's not a theme park ride."

    But a theme park's manmade lakes, malls and simulated dinosaur park will be the primary view from the so-called Time Residences. The developer plans to complete the structure by 2009 as a centerpiece in the giant Dubailand amusement park now under construction.

    Work on the rotating tower is supposed to begin in June.

    Cooper's previous rotating projects include the drill machine that bored the English Channel Tunnel and a rotating rock crushing unit used in giant mining operations.

    Dubai has used a slew of announcements of iconic project to generate publicity. Most — but not all — end up being built. The city's three palm shaped islands are in various states of completion. The smallest is nearly finished while construction of the largest has been halted.

    Other improbable projects have been scrapped or delayed, including a heavily touted underwater hotel that was canceled.

    Plans call for the rotating building to incorporate a swimming pool and a crescent-shaped "moon lounge" on the rooftop, with a theater and observatory.

    "Not only will it defy the laws of gravity and momentum, but also it stands to redefine the standards for luxury living in the region and the world," said Tav Singh of developer Dubai Property Ring.

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    Dubai is amazing in demographic too, 80% of the population is foreign born.

    Its interesting to note the whole idea of Dubai was based on a coming oil crisis for UAE, with its wells scheduled to run out in a few decades. The forethought of the King was a grand plan to transform the city from a reliance on trade and oil to one of tourism and shopping (read: luxury goods). The start was The Sail, the first icon, and an immediate success, and from there it kind of escalated.

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    Cool Documentary on construction of worlds tallest hotel.

    Go to to watch the Burj Al Arab being constructed and finished.

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