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    Me? If you´ve noticed I´ve never said that the rendering isn´t nice. I think it looks beautiful ...at least the front facing the avenue. My only comment about the building was: "I think building a hulking 13 story blank wall is going to be a tough sell". But since we know how renderings can fool... I think the community is doing the right thing by holding back for a review. The preservationists? Well, considering that the Village is one of the most beautiful neighborhoods in the US.... perhaps those preservations have gotten things more right, than wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio
    The preservationists? Well, considering that the Village is one of the most beautiful neighborhoods in the US.... perhaps those preservations have gotten things more right, than wrong.
    Maybe, but they don't need to kill this one with banality.

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    I'm all for historic preservation, but what exactly are they trying to preserve here? The site is a parking lot in a little mico-neighborhood without much historic identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenie
    I'm all for historic preservation, but what exactly are they trying to preserve here? The site is a parking lot in a little mico-neighborhood without much historic identity.
    Agreed. For me it absolutely incomprehensible why the community would oppose this building- is it simply because the neighbors feel that the design out classes their brick boxes and therefore they won’t get as nice a return when it comes time to sell?

    This is Manhattan greed and self-entitlement at its worst. Don’t forget to write to the LPC commissioner and tell him what you think!

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    ^ Actually, I bet it would increase the value of their brick boxes. I think it's just philistinism, a branch of stupidity.

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    Plus too. This particular spot is a transitional area. It's not like this tower is being proposed for a spot in the middle of Charles or Bleeker Streets. This area has a huge crap, petroleum station on one corner and a filthy strip of bodegas on another!

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    West Village Residents Frown On Glass Building Slated For Area
    April 19, 2006

    Plans to build a modern glass residential tower in historic Greenwich Village are not going over well with area residents who want to keep the neighborhood's integrity in tact.

    Architects have already drafted designs for the glass structure to replace a parking lot at the intersection of 13th Street and Eighth Avenue. Preservationists say the design is completely out of character for the neighborhood.

    "People go to great expense to comply with city landmark regulations to make sure their buildings are exactly the right color, exactly the right type of paint, and to allow this 11-story undulating glass building seems to fly in the face of generations of efforts to preserve a distinct, historic neighborhood," said preservationist Andrew Berman.

    Architects were asked to make minor changes to the plans by the Landmarks Preservation Commission, which is expected to OK the plan.

    The revisions are expected in about a month.

    http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index...id=1&aid=58740


    http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/...undulating.php

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    Glad to see all the letters I wrote to the Greenwhich Village Historical Society were not in vain. For once, art triumphs nasty NIMBY's

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    Quote Originally Posted by article above
    "People go to great expense to comply with city landmark regulations to make sure their buildings are exactly the right color, exactly the right type of paint, and to allow this 11-story undulating glass building seems to fly in the face of generations of efforts to preserve a distinct, historic neighborhood," said preservationist Andrew Berman.

    Architects were asked to make minor changes to the plans by the Landmarks Preservation Commission, which is expected to OK the plan.

    The revisions are expected in about a month.
    Oh give me a break! This building was going to look really nice. They just want a brick tower. Blah.

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    Ok... it seems like this one will go up...


    Commission approves revised 122 Greenwich Avenue design





    02-MAY-06

    The Landmarks Preservation Commission this afternoon unanimously approved a slightly revised plan for a new 36-unit residential condominium building fronting on Jackson Square at the intersection of Eighth and Greenwich Avenues and 13th Street.

    The building, which will be located at 122 Greenwich Avenue, has a five-story-high wing facing the Square and an 11-story-tower at its north end which is near 14th Street.

    Hines Interests and Aby Rosen are the developers and William Pedersen of Kohn Pedersen Fox is the architect for the building that is distinguished by its rippling, multi-faceted clear glass facades with windows of different widths that appear to be randomly placed. Each floor of the building undulates differently in plan.

    The building does not extend all the way to 14th Street and so its north wall will be blank, and at the commission’s request at its previous hearing on the project Mr. Pedersen has changed its north façade to make it less busy.

    He has also gently wrapped the glass walls on its west façade at the corners to meet some concerns expression at the last meeting about how the design interfaced with neighboring properties.

    Hines Interests is one of the nation’s major developers whose skyscrapers have revitalized many urban skylines in the United States.

    Mr. Rosen is an owner of the Seagram Building and Lever House on Park Avenue and a developer of a new mixed-use apartment and hotel tower designed by Sir Norman Foster planned to rise behind the Seagram Building at 610 Lexington Avenue.

    Mr. Pedersen is the design partner of Kohn Pedersen Fox, one of the world’s foremost architectural firms, whose masterworks include 333 Wacker Drive in Chicago, the Shanghai World Financial Center, the Parkhaven Tower in Rotterdam, the Rodin Museum in Seoul, South Korean, Roppongi Hills in Tokyo, and the Westend Strasse 1/DZ Bank Headquarters in Frankfurt.

    Commissioner Richard Olcott described the revised design as “a really wonderful and interesting building.” Commissioner Jan Pokorny said it was “exciting and bold.” Another commissioner remarked that “No one could completely hate this building.” Chairman Robert B. Tierney said that “it’s the right solution.”

    Numerous community and civic groups had opposed the project, arguing that its design is “inappropriate” to the character of the Greenwich Village Historic District and questioning whether the changing nature of new construction in the area is altering the “context’ of “historic districts.”


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    I like this building. It would have been nice if it went to 14th Street though, as that little building and the bodega in it are horrible.

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    The Villager
    13th St. undulating-glass building gives Zoning Committee the jitters

    By Gerard Flynn

    Donald Trump wasn’t the only developer to get the thumbs down from Community Board 2’s Zoning Committee during its meeting at Housing Works on W. 13th St. on Thursday evening.

    An application for eight changes to existing zoning laws for a proposed 11-story, 36-unit luxury condominium complex on a vacant parking lot at 122 Greenwich Ave. was also rejected by the board.

    Representatives for the developer, the Hines organization, had argued that the variances were essential in order for the multinational firm to avoid economic hardship in undertaking the project.

    Under current zoning regulations, if the owner of a development site can prove economic loss due to current zoning laws — hardship — the city will grant zoning variances.

    However, after hearing Hines’s case, the committee unanimously disagreed and, as an advisory body to the city’s Board of Standards and Appeals, will inform the agency of its decision, which may have some bearing on the authority’s overall decision on the project.

    The board committee also frowned at the design’s undulating glass facade and the scale of its tower portion, concluding that the size and look of the design of the tower did not fit into the neighborhood’s quaint, low-rise character.

    Hines wants to raise the height of the building by 15 feet as well as add several bulk variances, which would include extending the back of the 60,000-square-foot complex to make the luxury units more spacious and therefore more alluring to prospective buyers, representatives for the developer argued.

    They also requested a variance for the 4,800 square feet of retail space that would form the base of the building, submitting proposals to raise the ceiling by several feet.

    That Hines’s team were going to have about as much luck as Trump was evident midway through the hearing when, after seeing a presentation for the project, Leonard Cecere of C.B. 2 laughed it off as a “God-awful, ugly looking building,” which drew a raucous round of applause and cheers from the packed dining hall.

    “Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we did hire a world-class architect for the site,” replied Steve Lefkowitz, a land-use lawyer representing Hines, to which Ceceere shot back, “It should reflect a people’s view and not simply a view of a cabal of architects,” which also drew applause from the audience.


    Cecere’s cheeky characterization was amplified by Andrew Berman, executive director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historical Preservation, which had vigorously fought the development with a multitude of other community groups for many months.

    Berman said that while some owners face genuine hardships and are entitled to variances, others, like Hines, falsely claim them.

    “Almost every developer that comes forward claims they have some sort of hardship, that they need to make changes in order to turn a profit. In this case, there isn’t any demonstrable evidence other than the fact they paid an arm and a leg for the site,” he told the committee.

    “This is a design that does not work and which the community does not want, and here they are asking for more of the same,” Berman continued. “It’s hard to imagine that there is no way to make a profit on this site unless they are allowed to build an extra-large building that will take more of our light and more of our air.”

    The project at the intersection of 13th St. and Eight Ave. was given the green light by the Landmarks Preservation Commission in May and is slated to start construction within the next few months, if it gets the nod from the B.S.A. A date for a hearing has not yet been set.
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    Oh give me a break. It's an 11 story building at it's highest point. Blocking light and air my ass. This building is a beautiful contrast to the area's brick architecture and one of the few remaining empty sites in the area on which to produce something totally cool and unique. Instead, the community seems to want a bland brick lowrise apartment house with uncovered concrete floorplates that will "respect the nature and scale of the community." This is simply ridiculous...if these people are so into crappy nostalgic lowrise brick buildings, they should pack up and move to the suburbs where there are plenty of big box stores and strip malls designed with cheap terra cotta-looking roofs to oblige this architectural fancy.

    Sorry...rant finished...I'm just so dissapointed at the prospect of the building being shot down and something totally medicore being put up instead.

    I mean, heck, people...it's a parking lot right now!

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    What!! I love this little building! WTF!

    Oh things like that is what makes me hate the NIMBY's the more. Now I am supporting Trump the more.

    I bet Ohara's (or someone much worser) will be selected next time they want to built something in the village.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek2k3

    Hines wants to raise the height of the building by 15 feet as well as add several bulk variances, which would include extending the back of the 60,000-square-foot complex to make the luxury units more spacious and therefore more alluring to prospective buyers, representatives for the developer argued.

    They also requested a variance for the 4,800 square feet of retail space that would form the base of the building, submitting proposals to raise the ceiling by several feet.
    Am I mistaken? It sounds like they want to make this building larger than previously proposed.

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