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    what they should do is create a porn district, maybe Governors Island that can have hookers, porn shops, casino's and all the stuff they dont want in NYC anymore

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    Re: Porn Island

    The problem with that great idea (I mean it I would go to porn island) is that non porn related people would move there cause of the trendy/gritty intersection (and presumibly low rents). Then they would get knocked up and have a kid or two, then they would complain that it was too noisy and too "out of scale" with the rest of the neighboorhood (e.g., water). They would hold community meetings among themselves and complain until every third porn shop on Porn street was closed. Then Trump would come and build a condo/Whole foods and the whole island would sink, which sadly is the same thing that happened to Atlantis (including the Whole foods).

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    weng's palace is that pic used to be "top broccoli", one of the best chinese delivery places i have ordered from in the city. same place, just changed to a generic name. but that block has got to go.

    a huge plot on the western side of that block (40th btw 8/9) is being excavated for a hotel according to the posted permits. anyone know anything about this project?

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    Re: Porn Island

    The problem with that great idea (I mean it I would go to porn island) is that non porn related people would move there cause of the trendy/gritty intersection (and presumibly low rents). Then they would get knocked up and have a kid or two, then they would complain that it was too noisy and too "out of scale" with the rest of the neighboorhood (e.g., water). They would hold community meetings among themselves and complain until every third porn shop on Porn street was closed. Then Trump would come and build a condo/Whole foods and the whole island would sink, which sadly is the same thing that happened to Atlantis (including the Whole foods).
    Indeed, Atlanteans seem to have been obsessed with pornographic images.
    The ancient civilization of Thera, considered by many scholars to likely be the Atlantis of legend, has provided archeological evidence of the prurient nature of the island.

    Gratuitous nudity:



    Women, with pendulous breasts, performing erotic dances:



    Lastly, and perhaps most upsetting, this breasted ewer, a disgusting example of a household object with mammaries attached to it!



    Thank You, Jesus Lord My Savior, that our children don't have to walk by and see such filth!

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    Why won't anyone think of the children (except for perverts with their filthy ancient stoneware jugs )

    Umm.. Thera and some of the artifacts presented there date back to more than 5000 BC, which would directly contradict key elements of the BIBLE. Since the bible did not mention Thera, it clearly did not exist, which means that you made up those pictures to currupt minds, both with your pornography and your so-called "history/science."

    Next you'll be telling me that women have brests for "evolutionary" reasons, and not mearly for for feeding babies. You sir are a pervert!

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    I'll try to refrain from defiling this honorable forum with any more smut,
    yet I must post the following image as a dire warning to Manhattanites...the island society of Delos is now just a memory, struck down by a pious God, for their audacity in having adorned their public spaces with the likes of this:



    Imagine growing up and seeing that everyday on the way to school.

    I say we banish all porn stores to the hinterlands immediately!

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    Wink Porn barge?

    Ahoy from a ho?

    Found on Porn Island -
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    Midtown:

    Quite a stern warning I say! See how the hand of GOD has sliced that phalus leaving the testies intact. God clearly sends a message to Us that all reproduction should be done by harvesting sperm and not through filthy fluid exchanges. Repent now, and God might spare you Manhattan (cuts out sandwich board and gets on 2 train to Times Square)

    P.S. Thank the Lord there were no homosexuals around at the time to admire this filth (As we all know, homosexuals are an invention of today's liberal media and illegal immigrants from France)

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    Wow, talk about extrapolations...I feel like I've stepped into the Twilight Zone. Porn Island?

    better yet, this feels like an episode of Arrested Development

    "..But check your lease, man. Because you're living in: Fu** City!!"

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    November 2006

    Eighth Avenue retail: More than porn meets the eye

    Spurred by development, Eighth Avenue drawing better grade of retailers


    By Matthew Strozier

    At first glance, it doesn't look like much has changed on the west side of Eighth Avenue near 44th Street. The stores there could be straight out of the gritty, crime-ridden 1970s Times Square: Stilettos, Peepworld and Play Pen. But this is only a temporary reality. A 256-unit, higher-end apartment building by developer Steve Witkoff is proposed for the site, and those retailers are more likely to be banks and drug stores in the future than porn shops.

    In an ironic twist, porn shops on Eighth Avenue near Times Square may be a sign that the retail strip is actually getting better. At one time, porn shops moved to Times Square because it made business sense. Now, brokers say triple-X DVD stores are among the only operators taking spaces that may be demolished or gutted in a few years for luxury development. "Substantial retailers will not sign a lease with a demo clause," said Aaron Gavios, executive vice president with commercial firm Square Foot Realty.

    In other spots, retail rents are rising faster than the avenue is changing, Gavios said, making it hard for independent operators but encouraging low-end but high-revenue businesses. "Rent is so high that, by being high, it is actually cheapening the type of retail that is there," he said. "It is having the reverse effect."

    But Eighth Avenue may finally be starting to shed its sketchy past and enter the new world of Times Square. "I think it is getting better," Gavios said. "The seedy character is changing and there are less porn stores."

    Eighth Avenue has historically been a place caught in the middle.

    "Eighth Avenue has always been the quiet little child next to a loudmouth big brother on the east, and a precocious little brother to the west, which is Ninth Avenue," said Tim Tompkins, president of the Times Square Alliance.

    Now Eighth Avenue is stepping out with major residential and office construction, and brokers also say the retail is not far behind.

    Retail rents are $200 to $300 a square foot, and two huge new office buildings are planned directly across the street from the Port Authority Bus Terminal. The New York Times headquarters is expected to be completed in the summer with 24,000 square feet of retail on the ground floor. Next door, the former Milstein site is now being developed as a 40-story office tower by SJP Properties of New Jersey. To the north, at Eighth Avenue and 57th Street, the new architecturally ambitious headquarters building of the Hearst Corporation was recently completed.

    Developer Forest City Ratner is looking to get food service in the Times building, either sit-down or to-go, that will be "refreshingly upscale" in light of what's nearby now, said MaryAnne Gilmartin, executive vice president and director of commercial and residential development for Forest City. Retail space is renting for $100 a square foot on the side streets to $125 a square foot on the avenue, well under the Times Square rates. But Gilmartin said the goal is to land the right tenant for the building that is prepared to invest in the site.

    The Times Square Alliance is making a big effort to promote retail along Eighth Avenue. The alliance says there is $253 million in lost sales potential in Times Square because office workers and residents are heading to retail locations outside the area.

    The alliance is working with owners and brokers to market the strip and improve the streetscape. Examples could include encouraging the typical T-shirt shop with 150-watt florescent light bulbs to have a more attractive façade.

    Eighth Avenue does not have the pedestrian traffic of the "bowtie" intersection of streets in the middle of Times Square, but it gets plenty of visitors. Figures from the Times Square Alliance say that on a Wednesday night in July this summer, Eighth Avenue near 46th Street had 21,083 pedestrians. The same location on Broadway had 56,384 pedestrians.

    Overall, Times Square has seen a huge increase in pedestrian traffic since the early 1980s. One block on Seventh Avenue near 42nd Street is projected to see a 367 percent increase in foot traffic by 2020. The city is taking steps to handle the pedestrian traffic. Under a new traffic plan announced last month, all traffic coming down Seventh Avenue will be diverted to Broadway, eliminating two lanes of traffic, and allowing for more space for pedestrians in the form of expanded center islands and sidewalks.

    Although it won't be porn-shop row anymore, brokers and others say the future retail look of Eighth Avenue is still evolving. Joshua Strauss, managing director at Robert K. Futterman & Associates, said The Gap and Victoria's Secret are unlikely to plant roots, but he sees plenty of regional and other national retailers interested. FedEx and Kinko's, which RKF represents, want to open on Eighth Avenue, he said. "It doesn't take a visionary to see that the development is happening," he said.

    The Times Square Alliance says that 5,000 new or soon-to-be completed apartments have gone up in Times Square since 2000, primarily on West 42nd Street.

    Still, "it won't happen overnight," Strauss said. "Even though they can see that the block is changing and changing quickly, some retailers are scared because it hasn't happened yet. But it only takes a few pioneers and things change very quickly."

    The Port Authority Bus Terminal has long been another detriment to the block, but the Port Authority is trying to change this. It signed a French bistro, Metromarche, to open on Eighth Avenue in the former site of the Silver Bullet Saloon. The broker on the lease, Carole Greene, a director at Newmark Knight Frank, said the rent was a bit below the market, but investment in the site was significant. "So it is a rent with a percentage over a natural break-point," she said. "It means that everyone is taking a risk here."

    Other brokers say they are having no problem leasing retail spaces on Eighth Avenue. "As soon as it becomes available, it is getting leased," said Jeff Winick, CEO of Winick Realty Group who has worked on Eighth Avenue for 20 years. Most recently, Winick just leased a retail space on Eighth Avenue between 42nd and 43rd streets, although he said it was too early to provide details.

    Many of the smaller restaurants are moving to Ninth Avenue for the more affordable rents, giving it the neighborhood feel instead of Eighth, said Gavios. "It's much more of a gamble and it's a gamble that some of the local proprietors are not going to take," he said.

    Tompkins said he sees stores like American Apparel, Brooklyn Industries, Kiehl's and bookstores on Eighth Avenue.

    "There is no doubt that there is a neighborhood retail that is needed," he said. "But it also has the potential to be destination retail for folks who can't afford the full freight of a flagship store in the heart of the bowtie."

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    Witkoff is making a mistake, that site at 44th and 8th is a prime office site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kliq6 View Post
    Witkoff is making a mistake, that site at 44th and 8th is a prime office site.
    The thing that I find sas is that the buildings Witkoff will raze are nice and have a lot of character. They just need TLC and better tenants.

    I pray that the three story union h.q. just north of this, which occupies the whole stretch between 44th and 45th, will be razed. Unlike the buildings on Witkoff's site, the union's building is disgusting.

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    Default 693 ( 689 - 699 ) Eighth Avenue / 300 - 320 West 44th Street

    NYC Department of Finance documents show that lots on the west side of Eighth Avenue (# 693 - 699) and lots on the south side of West 44th (# 300 - 320) have been combined into a single development plot ...


    No Joke: Shopkeeper Must Pack Up His Bag of Tricks

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    By JOE BRESCIA
    July 22, 2007

    Arnold Martin has rats in his store. You can see them crawling around his window, peeping out of food cartons.

    The revolting scene causes passers-by to reach for their cellphones. But they are not alerting the Board of Health — instead, they are laughing to friends about the storefront parody of the rodent infestation at a Greenwich Village KFC/Taco Bell that received widespread press coverage in February.

    Mr. Martin is the owner of the Funny Store, a small Times Square shop that merges Harry Houdini’s basement with Rip Taylor’s garage. The place is filled with props, gag gifts, magic tricks and games.

    The business, now at 44th Street and Eighth Avenue, has been part of the Times Square scene since 1957, changing owners and locations several times but always sticking to the same few blocks and staying ahead of rising rents, new zoning laws and new construction.

    Now, it will have to move again. Mr. Martin’s landlord is selling the building, at 693 Eighth Avenue, to a developer, and he has to vacate the store by the end of the month to make way for condominiums. And retail rents in Times Square are now so high that he cannot afford to stay.

    [Note: The complete adress of the building is 693 - 697 Eighth Avenue]

    “Unfortunately, the days of the independent store owner are disappearing,” he said. “If you’re not a chain like Disney, McDonald’s or the Gap, then landlords won’t even talk to you.”

    Mr. Martin has worked at the store, originally at 1481 Broadway, since 1974, and bought the business 13 years ago. Through the years, the Funny Store has become must-stop shopping for fans of rubber rats, mice, snakes and chickens; fake excrement of all shapes and sizes; and trick playing cards and whoopee cushions.

    And then there’s Mr. Martin’s sideshow. On a recent afternoon, Mr. Martin sat behind an elevated counter at the back of the store, pulling out props and tricks like a wizard of odd. Mr. Martin, 46 years old and 6 feet 3 inches tall, bears a perpetual Joker-like smile.

    A customer, a man in a business suit, showed him a picture of his children. “They’re beautiful,” said Mr. Martin, who is single and lives in Manhattan.

    He pulled out a picture from under the counter. “Here’s my pride and joy,” Mr. Martin said. The photo showed a box of Pride, the laundry detergent, and a container of Joy, the liquid soap.

    Badump bump.

    Mr. Martin got into the business because “I enjoy seeing people laugh.” And it supports his many vices, “like eating and paying rent.” He’s been doing a lot of both lately.

    “We’re always busy,” he said. “But I’ve seen panties dropping off recently. But I’m happy to say brassieres are still holding up.” (He gave up trying to become a stand-up comedian “after my jokes closed down a few nightclubs.”)

    According to Mr. Martin, the most popular item, hands down (or is it feet down?), has been the fake dog excrement.

    “It’s imported from Spain,” he said. “So real it even fools the dog.” Other top sellers include hand buzzers, whoopee cushions and rubber chickens.

    The Funny Store has made many of the rich and famous giggle and shriek through the years. Customers have included Pat Cooper, David Copperfield, Gilbert Gottfried, David Letterman, Regis Philbin and countless cast and crew members from musicals like “The Producers” and “Spamalot.”

    According to Mr. Martin, Henry Hodges, the child star of “Mary Poppins,” frequently pops in and leaves with a bag full of pranks and tricks.

    Joe Franklin, the perpetual talk show host, has been a regular at the store’s various locations for 50 years.

    “I love the place,” Mr. Franklin said in a telephone interview. “I enjoy all the props.

    “And so did Ronald Reagan. He was a guest on my show five times before he became president. I knew that he liked jelly beans. So I bought big bottles that were filled with jelly beans but when you opened them, a big snake would pop out. Ronnie laughed so loud you could hear him all over the building.”

    One prop no longer in stock is “the magic curtain” for grown-ups, which hung on the left wall. It attracted a businessman crowd, always in a rush, with serious faces. Pull back the curtain and be entertained with a much different selection of props.

    The Funny Store had an agreement with the Playpen, a shop selling sexually explicit materials next door that provided an entrance through the magic shop. The arrangement was drawn up after a 1995 antipornography law limited the amount and display of such materials sold in parts of the city to 40 percent of a store’s inventory or floor space.

    That agreement ended last year, and now a wall has replaced the curtain.

    “Just about every day someone comes in, looking for that curtain, trying to avoid embarrassment,” Mr. Martin said. “But I suggest that they buy one of our fake beards and a pair of sunglasses so no one would recognize them going into the adult shop.”

    Mr. Martin hopes it’s not the final curtain for the Funny Store. He noted that the owners of a thriving pizzeria across the street moved to Hazlet, N.J., after their landlord raised the rent 400 percent.

    Mr. Martin pondered moving to the Garden State. “What would I sell for a laugh?”

    He paused. “Maybe air fresheners.”

    Badump bump.

    Copyright 2007The New York Times Company

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    Ideal Theatre

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    Built 1916 The Ideal Theatre was designed by the firm Eisendrath and Horwitz and opened as a 598-seat movie house. It has also been known as the Squire, New Cameo, and Adonis before being named The Playpen sometime in 1990s. Has shown art films in the past although most of its life through the past few decades has involved some variation on intercourse. (reference) Old interior shot here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
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    I like every building on that block. It sucks that this will all be razed while lots of crap remains on 8th.

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