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    Why not. We all know the major icons of 8th; Hearst, Worldwide Plaza, the Hojos. Rather than get my camera soaked I focused on other shots:

    An example of londonlawyer's crap: 56th and 8th

    Everything from the McDonalds and Wendys should go. The remaining buildings should be cleaned and restored. Or am I dreaming. I bet the whole block will be torn down one day.


    55th and 8th: Is something going on here? (se corner)





    The crap is being cleared, but is it much better than what was there before?


    The Marc....Not a bad tower, but the base!



    Please plant some trees or something



    Biltmore...Really bland, but it doesn't look terrible. It's presentable.



    The base is nice, but the tenants aren't



    Another construction site? East side of 8th, b/t 45th and 46th I think but I might be wrong






    What can be done here? I don't want to lose all of the old walk-ups, but some of the buildings must go. There are also a lot of other newer dreary apartment towers on the avenue, including a 10 story white whale that covers the entire 8th ave blockfront, which is terrible.

    Not all change is good I guess. 8th Ave doesn't have to mean bad architecture (exception: Hearst)

    PS If it was better today I may have crossed the street and taken more pics. Saturday I plan on going to the Flower District and taking photos of the rapid change in that area. Tomorrow I will be in the village seeing nyu.

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    sfenn1117: 55th and 8th: Is something going on here? (se corner)

    NEW HOTEL going up on this site



    sfenn1117: Another construction site? East side of 8th, b/t 45th and 46th I think but I might be wrong

    The former McHale's site -- 40 story residential going up here


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    I can´t believe that McDonalds is still there. A friend of mine was working for Helen Gurley Brown across the street and I remember meeting her for a quick lunch there one day.... in 1975.

    Honestly... I´d take those crap buildings over those souless, artless condo towers any day with their Duane Reades... a bank... Starbucks... a parking garage... ticky-tack crappy construction. What do you get from that? Anything? Is that the best we can come up with? If only those tenements and low buildings could be restored and we had small restaurants and cafes... with the tin ceilings and exposed brick these buildings often offer. The low, loft-like crap-buildings would have their usual dance classes, acting classes, yoga centers ....taught by people who could afford the low rents. If we were getting another Hearst Tower or NYTimes tower or even World Wide Plaza... or condo towers of good, importantant architecture... well ok then... fine... but the condos shown above are just another kind of blight.

    Scroll up. Look at the photo of the group of crap buildings.... then scroll down to the condos. Honestly.... what street scene is more interesting to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio
    Scroll up. Look at the photo of the group of crap buildings.... then scroll down to the condos. Honestly.... what street scene is more interesting to you?
    The crap is better than its replacement.

    The replacement, however, is new and clean.

    If they gave the crap a good scrubbing, it would be clean too.

    And folks might find it's not crap after all.

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    thanks lofter. I have a sliver of hope for a nice hotel, but the condo will more than likely be boring, like the Link, Biltmore, and Marc.

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    This stretch of 8th threatens to become the dull twin of 6th Ave between 23rd + 30th.

    Smith's Bar on the east side of 8th at 44th is about the last of the colorful old holdouts:

    http://www.smithsbar.com/index2.html




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    sfenn1117: 55th and 8th: Is something going on here? (se corner)

    NEW HOTEL going up on this site

    Link to thread: http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8287

    sfenn1117: Another construction site? East side of 8th, b/t 45th and 46th I think but I might be wrong

    The former McHale's site -- 40 story residential going up here

    Link to thread: http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7185

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    I´m especially disturbed by that thing called the Marc. Man, look at that base... it like McMansion-taste architecture. What´s with that weird gazebo structure with the skinny collums above the base? And those awfull screens! And those HUGE parking signs...they should´ve called the building the "PARK".

    Next to it, note the 1960´s white brick building. Folks, compared to this new condo that thing has architectural integrity... taste and style. It is noble compared to it´s new neighbor.

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    You're right, it is disgusting. Hideous. Anything would be better. As for all those Duane Reades, Starbucks, and Staples- they are killing what used to be varied and exciting New York streetlife and aesthetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio
    I´m especially disturbed by that thing called the Marc. Man, look at that base... it like McMansion-taste architecture. What´s with that weird gazebo structure with the skinny collums above the base? And those awfull screens! And those HUGE parking signs...they should´ve called the building the "PARK".
    Har har ...

    Not to give this building a positive vote, but the parking structure in the base was pre-existing before the tower was built -- it was an odd but kind of unique late 50's early 60's thing in grey + green (lots of activity there back in the Studio 54 days ). After the tower went up the garage was re-clad with the fake pre-cast "stone".

    I don't get what the "gazebo" thing is either ... there is a similar one on the crest of the base at 325 5th Ave. Weird.

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    The "new avenues" on the West Side need some benchmark of architectural distinction, as 5th and Park have. Otherwise, they will come to resemble 6th Ave. or worse.

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    the marc is a brilliant structure, and replaced a 5 story city maintained parking garage. i dont have pics, but you can imagine what a city maintained garage looks like (or any old garage for that matter).

    the amazing thing about the marc is that because of the 2 levels of ACE subway tunnels, there is no physical support of the tower directly below the tower itself.

    the biltmore is somewhat dull, and the pipe that sticks out of the top should have been hidden.

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    I remember that structure.... and 8th Avenue when it had so many long standing empty lots, pornshops etc ... but does that mean any replacement is automatically a good one or the right one?

    "the amazing thing about the marc is that because of the 2 levels of ACE subway tunnels, there is no physical support of the tower directly below the tower itself."

    The Marc (or the "Park" as the signs say) might be a great feat of engineering... but who cares? It´s still butt-ugly architecture.

    Imagine: Penn Station, Port Authority, the NYTimes Tower, World Wide Plaza, the Hearst Tower, the Time Warner Center ..... 8th avenue has enormous potential to be a great avenue.... things like the Marc and Biltmore are a let down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrizio
    Imagine: Penn Station, Port Authority, the NYTimes Tower, World Wide Plaza, the Hearst Tower, the Time Warner Center ..... 8th avenue has enormous potential to be a great avenue.... things like the Marc and Biltmore are a let down.
    That's quite a recitation of prima donnas.

    The great avenues are more thematically unified. Fifth Avenue is mid-rise and mostly limestone, as is Central Park West. Upper Park Avenue, West End Avenue and Riverside Drive derive their character from a more-or-less uniform cornice line atop a consistent masonry streetwall; towards Grand Central, Park is themed by cool glass boxes; and even Sixth Avenue manifests a design order, though it's the order of tombstones. Second Avenue used to be lil' ol' New York, Columbus and Amsterdam still get their basic genes from tenements; Third, like Eighth, isn't very unified...

    So what might be the theme of Eighth Avenue?

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    I don´t know... "Hookers ´n Hustlers" was such a winning formula.

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