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    Oh-the building next to the Cass beauty- no way. I don't like it at all. If they block from view so much as one terra-cotta flourish I say, off with their heads!

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    Midtown: "I think banal is too kind here..."

    We were trying to be positive.

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    Nice building, but not what I call ARTchitecure......most of IMO what Calatrava, Norton, Foster do rates as artchitecture....this does not even come close to making the cut....



    I have noticed that different parcels of land (seemingly unrelated and on different street fronts) are put together for form a single lot/building. This is similar to how the "river loft" building was developed.....something that is not always apparant to the casual observer on the street.....in cases like this I find that the "map portal" website helps to clarify the boundries of the building. Map 57 Reade Street http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/mp/Map.do
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidtownGuy
    If they block from view so much as one terra-cotta flourish I say, off with their heads!
    Emporis says the Gilbert building is 18 Floors / 225 Ft.


    The article on the new 57 Reade says:
    ... construct, or cause to be constructed on the Development Site a building of between 19 and 21 stories ...
    There is terracotta on the north facade of the Gilbert building (facing 57 Reade), but only at the top 3 floors (see attached pic below) and with simple brick below (lower 15 floors). The terracotta here is not nearly as decorative as that on the facades facing Broadway & Chambers. But to cover ANY of it would be WRONG.

    Any SENSITIVE and SMART architect would do this.

    Does SCLE fit that bill?

    Considering that floor heights in the newer building might be lower than the floors in the Gilbert building: In the best case scenario the new building could abut the Gilbert building up floor 15 and then set-back (away) from the Gilbert and go up the additional few floors. This would serve both to prevserve the presence of the terracotta and to create a fantastic open space / terrace in the new building.

    I can understand the desire to go higher in mid-section of the new building, as the magnificent Municipal_Building is directly to the east (over the recently restored low-rise NY_Sun building). But for the most part views from 57 Reade to the Municipal_Building -- other than from the highest floors -- would be blocked by the 17-story Emigrants_Industrial_Savings_Bank at 51_Chambers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infoshare
    "map portal" website helps to clarify the boundries of the building. Map 57 Reade Street
    Here's the property boundaries ...

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    It wouldn't be half bad if they got rid of the balconies.

    One good thing is that 287 Broadway will no longer be a stand-alone building. The buildings coming down get my vote for the worst structures surrounded by landmarks. Besides the two corner buildings, A T Stewart across the streetis landmarked.

    Also, maybe LPC will take notice and remove that stupid "Fulton Dental Center" sign from 287.



    Cast iron, French Second Empire, built in 1872.
    Designed by John B Snook, who also worked on A T Strwart (1846) and the original Grand Central (1871).

    I sent an email to the LPC commissioner.
    http://nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maillpc.html


    Broadway-Chambers Building

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    Nice shots, zip.

    If it's not too much too ask: A shot of the upper floors of the north facade of the Broadway / Chambers building showing the terracotta on that side would be great. I've looked everywhere and can't find a good one. (I know, I should get a camera!)

    There's a photo HERE shows a glimpse but not enough ...
    The 3rd photo HERE shows a little more of it ...

    The Snook building's Dental might have an ECB VIOLATION.


    There's another ECB VIOLATION for the "awning":
    AN AWNING WITHOUT A PERMIT REMEDY REMOVE ILLEGAL WORK

    DOB Records also show that there is an application in effect for a new eating establishment at the Cellar / 1st Floor and that a Landmarks "sign-off" is required but not yet received.

    I can't find anything at Landmarks for the Snook.

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    I took this photos last week...




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    Thanks for those ^^^

    As you can see there is terrific terracotta and brickwork on the upper floors of the north facade (blow-up below).

    Anyone developing / designing a new building to go up on the lot to the north should be mindful and respectful of the that ...

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    Demolition has started on the two buildings at mid-block seen above (and demo also taking place on the short end of the "L" of the building at 57 Reade).

    But on 9.29.2006 DOB issued a STOP WORK ORDER on the site:

    Complaint at: 283 BROADWAY

    279 - 283 BROADWAY
    57 - 57 READE STREET

    Last Inspection: 09/29/2006 - - BY BADGE # 2177 STERLING KEVIN QUEENS
    Disposition: 09/29/2006 - - A3 - STOP WORK ORDER VIOLATION ISSUED
    Disposition Entered By: EHI 09/29/2006 13:29:46
    Comments: UNSAFE DEMO, CONTRACTOR DEMOLISHIG EXTERIOR WALL FROM THE INTERIOR, W/OUT ADEQUATE PROTECTION AGAIST FALLING DEBRIS
    ECB Violation #s: 34536392P 34536393R

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    Demolition here is nearly complete ... peeking through the holesin the fence ...

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    If I'd only seen this open gate around the corner on Reade before trying to shoot all those pics through the little cracks & holes in the Broadway fence I'd have saved myself lots of time & trouble ...

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    They sure are fast!

    Thank you for the updates lofter1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686 View Post
    From a few days ago:
    Red X.

    The new building's lower floors should rise to just below where windows start to appear on Gilbert's opus, then a slender tower about 16 feet away from Gilbert should soar skyward to whatever height satisfies the allowable square footage. The issue here as elsewhere is not building low (that's only for stupid NIMBYs) but building RIGHT. The developer should actually get an F.A.R. bonus for doing that, to compensate him for the less-efficient (less money-making) floor plates that result from the consequent lower leasable-space ratio.

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    The developer doesn't need any compensation.

    The site is zoned C6. For comparison, Woolworth is zoned C5.

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